Amazon and "alternative facts" - rant

   / Amazon and "alternative facts" - rant #31  
HA - I ran into another example this morning. I was checking the price of pellets for pellet stoves. Found the pellets I was looking for but they were listed at $45.80 per bag or $2300 per ton. Come on man - average price is around $5.25 per bag - $265 per ton.
 
   / Amazon and "alternative facts" - rant #32  
HA - I ran into another example this morning. I was checking the price of pellets for pellet stoves. Found the pellets I was looking for but they were listed at $45.80 per bag or $2300 per ton. Come on man - average price is around $5.25 per bag - $265 per ton.
Hey, throw it against the wall. If some sucker comes along.......
 
   / Amazon and "alternative facts" - rant #33  
For mechanical items, before this one had the local repair shop parts counter or the Grainger catalog. Maybe a Sears catalog for tools...
I've always found products at Grainger to be priced way high, like sock it to corporate buyers who don't know better.

Grainger can be very economical if you are tied to a National Account...

I'm always having people trying to sell me supplies for work... sometimes I bite and ask for a quote on GE lighting or janitorial products... Grainger blows them away and has for 20 years... although prices have come up some.

One of the best features is I will often order in the afternoon and the product arrives the next morning... free freight is included for every order.

They really do have the supply side down to a science... and having a dedicated account rep to for quotes is nice.
 
   / Amazon and "alternative facts" - rant #34  
Newbury, read your original post again. Always helps as you know we tend to go astray. Particularly me...:ashamed:
My response time from Amazon when I lived in suburban Philadelphia PA four years ago was extraordinarily good. They didn't work on Sundays back then,
which I applaud, but otherwise there must have been a distribution warehouse twenty miles away it was so fast.
Now...in the somewhat boonies of the Inner Banks of NC, the distribution center must be way further away, and no matter what I purchase, the
response time is 1 to 3 days longer than it used to be in PA. Like going from broad band to dial up.

If you are ordering a shirt, what's the rush? If you need a part and a machine is down, and you can't find it locally or it's not in stock locally,
who do you call ghostbuster?

Amazon's success is also their biggest challenge, others want a piece of the pie. And sadly this is why downtown Main Street now sells boutique items
instead of functional stuff. I grew up standing over the floor heater grate in front of the counter in an ancient wooden hardware store in my little home town, on a cold day
I just loved that grate. Now here was a positive shopping experience! ;) My father could go get what he needed, he often just made the rounds on Saturday morning to say hello, since the owners were neighbors.
You supported your neighbors whenever possible.
My how times have changed.
I buy US made and locally when I can.
But now you usually can't and pretty sure this is same all over.

cheap 3D replicator printers are coming and soon we can make some of this stuff ourselves...:thumbsup:
Now that's what I call local.
Amazon has a big warehouse in Allentown. I don't know if they have one any closer to Philly. FWIW, the Allentown facility did have a reputation for their ruthless treatment of warehouse workers. I don't know if that is still the case but I recently spoke to a former employee at a facility near me and was told that that location treated their people like c!!!.

That would be a negative for me to buy from Amazon except I can usually find the same item cheaper elsewhere.
 
   / Amazon and "alternative facts" - rant #35  
As I understand it, there is something in their search algorithm which penalizes a seller for having item be out of stock. As such when the item goes out of stock, they raise their price to something absurdly high but leave it as being in stock.

Aaron Z
Could be, first time I've heard that.

What I do know is I've seen products from Ryobi (Home Depot) and Harbor Freight listed on Amazon at 50% over to 4x the native price where these proprietary brands are sold. I don't know if the reason is just to catch a sucker, or maybe Amazon can deliver where the original vendor can't. It seems likely the vendor just runs down to HF etc when he gets an order.

Several times I've left reviews on Amazon noting HF stuff has better price and walk-in warranty if purchased at HF. For Ryobi, sealed original merchandise was offered on Amazon as 'reconditioned' at several tens of dollars over the Home Depot price. I got a nasty reply to a review when I pointed this out - along the line of 'mind your own business' - but the offered price didn't drop much.

Well one good aspect - Amazon reviews describing HF products may be more credible, and have better explanations, compared to the reviews posted at HF.

Caveat emptor.

Added: Example. Here's HF's red Cen-Tech 'free with purchase' multimeter on Amazon at $20 to $24.

Amazon.com: Buying Choices: 7 Function Digital Multimeter for Precise Electronic Measurements & Tests Digital Amp OHM Volt Meter ACDC Voltmeter by Cen-Tech by Cen-Tech
 
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   / Amazon and "alternative facts" - rant #36  

I bet I have at least 30 of these things. Several laying around at different locations. One in the wife's car, One on each tractor, one on my kawsaki mule, one under the lean too, etc.. Good part is. I got them all free with a coupon at HF... Why would anyone pay $24.00 for one ?
 
   / Amazon and "alternative facts" - rant #37  
Could be, first time I've heard that.

What I do know is I've seen products from Ryobi (Home Depot) and Harbor Freight listed on Amazon at 50% over to 4x the native price where these proprietary brands are sold. I don't know if the reason is just to catch a sucker, or maybe Amazon can deliver where the original vendor can't. It seems likely the vendor just runs down to HF etc when he gets an order.

Several times I've left reviews on Amazon noting HF stuff has better price and walk-in warranty if purchased at HF. For Ryobi, sealed original merchandise was offered on Amazon as 'reconditioned' at several tens of dollars over the Home Depot price. I got a nasty reply to a review when I pointed this out - along the line of 'mind your own business' - but the offered price didn't drop much.

Well one good aspect - Amazon reviews describing HF products may be more credible, and have better explanations, compared to the reviews posted at HF.

Caveat emptor.

Added: Example. Here's HF's red Cen-Tech 'free with purchase' multimeter on Amazon at $20 to $24.

Amazon.com: Buying Choices: 7 Function Digital Multimeter for Precise Electronic Measurements & Tests Digital Amp OHM Volt Meter ACDC Voltmeter by Cen-Tech by Cen-Tech
You can overpay for that same multimeter on eBay too. Did a quick check and got 432 listings from as little as $2 to $20 and no, I didn't look at all the listings.

Amazon is a fulfillment center and they are darn good at what they do. If you want reliable and quick delivery, I think generally this is your best choice. Of course, depends on your product, etc. but just do your research. Cheaper prices can also mean returned, open boxes, refurb, etc. Yeah there are folks out there that will take your money if you aren't savvy but it has nothing to do with Amazon or Ebay. If I am an established seller, I would probably go with Amazon. That said, I sell misc stuff on eBay.
 
   / Amazon and "alternative facts" - rant #38  
I let them trap me again.

I usually try to search all other avenues before ordering from Amazon. The last thing I bought from them was ordered on Dec 26 and still did not show as shipped on Jan 6. I attempted to cancel the order that Saturday and they came back and said it couldn't be canceled because it was about to ship. They shipped it that Saturday and it arrived on Monday.

Last Sunday I ordered a radio for my truck and here it is Friday and it still doesn't show as shipped. I did google the model number on google and ebay and didn't find the one I wanted at the same or comparable price so I went ahead and ordered on Amazon. I didn't think to search Walmart and did that yesterday and found it for the same price. No guarantee it would ship any faster but I would have taken a chance on ANY seller before ordering from the unreliable Amazon.

No excuse for anything to sit in cue for 5+ working days without shipping. I guarantee they are just doing it because I won't pay for their stupid prime membership. For all I know they ordered the radio from china and are waiting for it to get stateside before showing it as shipped. I'd be willing to bet when I cancel they will not allow it to be canceled.
 
   / Amazon and "alternative facts" - rant #39  
I sent a package last week priority flat rate... was the first person in line at my post office at 9 am the time it opens.

Package didn't get on the plane until Tuesday.... so Friday, Saturday, Sunday, Monday... just sitting? airport is 10 miles away.
 
   / Amazon and "alternative facts" - rant #40  
I let them trap me again.

I usually try to search all other avenues before ordering from Amazon. The last thing I bought from them was ordered on Dec 26 and still did not show as shipped on Jan 6. I attempted to cancel the order that Saturday and they came back and said it couldn't be canceled because it was about to ship. They shipped it that Saturday and it arrived on Monday.

Last Sunday I ordered a radio for my truck and here it is Friday and it still doesn't show as shipped. I did google the model number on google and ebay and didn't find the one I wanted at the same or comparable price so I went ahead and ordered on Amazon. I didn't think to search Walmart and did that yesterday and found it for the same price. No guarantee it would ship any faster but I would have taken a chance on ANY seller before ordering from the unreliable Amazon.

No excuse for anything to sit in cue for 5+ working days without shipping. I guarantee they are just doing it because I won't pay for their stupid prime membership. For all I know they ordered the radio from china and are waiting for it to get stateside before showing it as shipped. I'd be willing to bet when I cancel they will not allow it to be canceled.

i assume you used "free ship"? if you did then yes they artificially hold it. pay more if you want it quicker. i have a amazon warehouse 200 miles away, stuff comes over night once it ships, but if i use the free ship, it won't process for several days.
 

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