Thoughts on Sexual Harrasment...

[ultrarunner]

Doctors have privilege and had the perpetrator not been a Doctor I am certain things would be different...

 

[mjarrels]

Any one remember tailhook? Many Navy careers were ruined and heads rolled.

mark

 

[RSKY]

In my state a teacher who ignores signs of sexual or physical abuse can get into serious trouble. Some have been accused of ignoring signs when they simply didn't notice them. Teachers have lost jobs and had to move districts or states because they didn't notice something and then the perpetrator of the crime get a wrist slap. Teachers have also been sued and lost jobs because they didn't report something.

Sometimes you just can't win. The attempt to blame somebody other than the perpetrator seems to be to blame those most capable of paying in a lawsuit.

Be careful who you judge when you don't know all the facts.

A lot of that is happening in my area right now.

RSKY

 

[ultrarunner]

One of the people I was thinking of was a Tailhook member... WWII Squadron Commander.

In the 70's things were pretty loose in Silicon Valley... executives conducting interviews from their home hot tubs... needed to see if you were a good fit... and that is a quote to what he told me friend... no advance warning anything was amiss except she thought the address was wrong.

I don't think it was anything new... it was just it happened to people I knew.

I've grown up around some strong women... and they could dress down a man in nothing flat... of course my Grandmother would say not to get yourself into such a situation in the first place... but all bets are off when it comes to kids and minors...

Could be why it is so shocking... Doctors and Clergy are suppose to be the last people... but then ask any old time career nurse and they can tell you lots of stories about some Docs...

 

[3930dave]

Doctors have privilege and had the perpetrator not been a Doctor I am certain things would be different...

While there may be a facade in place, many "professional" organizations do a poor job of adequately policing their members.

Here, often the leading participant in (repeated, in some instances) real-estate fraud were lawyers.

IMO, more power/privilege requires more real oversight and accountablity - but that is often not the situation.

Taking matters into court is costly, in all respects, but is often the only way to get meaningful results.

Rgds, D.

 

[mjarrels]

Heard on the news tonight that steve w, the billionare vegas hotel mogel is the next on the list. Friend of trump and we all know that billionairs don't go to prison.

mark

 

[ultrarunner]

I wonder about some of the marriages with a 30 to 40 year age difference... like a 29 year old bride and a 69 year old groom... no children involved or step children.

It seems some women are more than willing to secure United States status via marriage...

I have also seen to the day where the wife is out the door 5 years later...

Maybe it was a business arrangement?

The men are professional men... Doctors and Lawyers mostly... the women I know are from Russia and the Philippines... actually very pleasant and if anything their husbands are a little over protective...

 

[stuckmotor]

When a man talks dirty to a woman, it's sexual harassment. When a woman talks dirty to a man, it's around two bucks a minute depending on the service.

 

[ultrarunner]

There was discussion in the break room yesterday... the women (Hospital Staff is 90%+ Women) were lamenting that there are few Real men left... the kind of take charge and take care of their woman... I kept walking right on through.

What gets me is the double standard...

Mangers are required to be on call for after hours... since the merger there are only women managers and across the board they have flatly refused to respond after hours... saying it is a matter of safety...

The 25 years I was a manager it was never optional...

So even being that I am no longer management... I still have all the after hour calls because it isn't safe for a woman... the difference now is that I get overtime and even a couple of double time hours on New Year's Day for getting called... that was another problem because double time was flagged by corporate...

I am all for equality... just doubt I will ever see it...

Saying the men here are careful would be a gross understatement... a few times in the last year some new under 30 RNs have gone to management saying they do not feel comfortable which generates an inquiry...

The latest is the linen delivery... same guy for 2 years... he drops off the scrubs to the locker rooms... several of the young nurses said this was not appropriate... funny thing is for 11 years prior Rosa was linen and the guys never had an issue...

Besides... they always knock first and wait... it is just having a man knocking on the women's locker room freaks them out... the changing area is separate from the supply area... so no chance of anyone "Walking" in anyway.

 

[cqaigy2]

There was discussion in the break room yesterday... the women (Hospital Staff is 90%+ Women) were lamenting that there are few Real men left... the kind of take charge and take care of their woman... I kept walking right on through.

What gets me is the double standard...

Mangers are required to be on call for after hours... since the merger there are only women managers and across the board they have flatly refused to respond after hours... saying it is a matter of safety...

The 25 years I was a manager it was never optional...

So even being that I am no longer management... I still have all the after hour calls because it isn't safe for a woman... the difference now is that I get overtime and even a couple of double time hours on New Year's Day for getting called... that was another problem because double time was flagged by corporate...

I am all for equality... just doubt I will ever see it...

Saying the men here are careful would be a gross understatement... a few times in the last year some new under 30 RNs have gone to management saying they do not feel comfortable which generates an inquiry...

The latest is the linen delivery... same guy for 2 years... he drops off the scrubs to the locker rooms... several of the young nurses said this was not appropriate... funny thing is for 11 years prior Rosa was linen and the guys never had an issue...

Besides... they always knock first and wait... it is just having a man knocking on the women's locker room freaks them out... the changing area is separate from the supply area... so no chance of anyone "Walking" in anyway.

I sometimes get a little annoyed about similar situations, but just because i don't have a problem with a situation, doesn't mean no one else has a right to feel uncomfortable. I say to myself, ok, good to know.

About women coming in after hours, right or wrong, women live in a very different world from men, they are much more likely to be victims of assault, than men are and it really is much less safe for them to be along at night. I get called in at off time and think nothing about it. When the days get short, i'll wait to leave to walk out a female co-worker to the parking lot. It's not fair, and i get a little ticked off about it, but. :confused3: