Dumb questions that deserve good answers.

   / Dumb questions that deserve good answers. #101  
Looks like a Englander NC30....Nice machine

No, no, no, you missed the point entirely: When it's below 40 degrees*, it's a tractor! When it's above 40 degrees*, then it's a Englander 30-NC!



* And yes, that's a positive number; we don't do cold down here - sue me!

;)
 
   / Dumb questions that deserve good answers. #102  
Greetings,

Ever have a question that seems sooooo simple . . but the manual doesn't talk about it . . and it seems too dumb to ask otherwise? Well that's the point. You try to find the answer on your own first (in the manual). I'm thinking if I have some of those questions . . maybe others have answers or their own unanswered questions too. So here's a suggested format:

1. I/you made some efforts to find your own answer first before asking.
2. List machine id 1st so others can choose who to read or respond to.
3. The question and any noted clarifications.

Here's an real life "dumb" question that I and others might have using format above:

Massey GC1715: The pto clutch lever has 3 positions the middle position is "not engaged" and the forward position is pto choices "engaged". But what is the rearward position for? Now the manual shows that either rear pto use or mid pto use the clutch lever the exact same way . . Pushing forward. The manual properly identifies the lever but never says anything in its pages about what or why you would choose the rearward choice. Obviously its there for a reason . . but the manual says nothing about it. Any ideas?

(Note: I'm not referring to the mid pto or rear pto control levers. This is the 3 position pto clutch lever that has the detente' separating each position.)
The position furthest back is "off with a PTO brake" the middle position is "off without PTO brake" and of course forward is "PTO engaged"
 
   / Dumb questions that deserve good answers. #104  
Interesting-- my 2310 only has two positions on the PTO levers, "in" or "out." Guess yours is the new, improved version!
 
   / Dumb questions that deserve good answers. #105  
Interesting-- my 2310 only has two positions on the PTO levers, "in" or "out." Guess yours is the new, improved version!

This is not the PTO selection lever (of which there are two - one each for front and rear, nearest the left side), but the Engage lever (closest to operator). My 2300 is a 2006, so if yours doesn't have that feature it would mean they took it out, which seems odd, especially in the middle of a model run. When you have the PTO off can you turn the output shaft?

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   / Dumb questions that deserve good answers. #106  
Most of the time, I only use the front (Mid-) PTO, for lawn mowing and snowblowing. Only once in a while do I use the rear, for a tiller.

My levers look to be the same as yours. When you ask if the PTO shaft can be turned, are you referring to the rear one? As far as I know, it can be turned, as I often need to rotate it to line up the splines when putting on an implement, either in the front or the back.

All of the levers appear to have only two positions, either moved forward or moved rearward. As far as I know, that inner lever is either "engage" or "disengage," no other position.

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   / Dumb questions that deserve good answers. #107  
I suspect that the positions are actually as follows (from rear to front on the PTO selector lever):
1. Rear only (connecting only the Rear to the PTO and its brake which lets the Mid spin freely)
2. Rear and Mid (connecting both the Rear and Mids to the PTO and its brake)
3. Mid only (connecting only the Mid to the PTO and its brake which lets the Rear spin freely).

Aaron Z
 
   / Dumb questions that deserve good answers. #108  
Nope... the lowest outboard lever selects only the front PTO (2000 RPM-- hard to see due to the flash reflection) and the upper one selects only the rear (540 RPM). They are marked "N---2000" and "N---540" with the little PTO icon thing, along with a picture indicating front (Mid) or rear PTO.

AFAIK, it is in fact possible to have them both operating simultaneously, though I've never had occasion to try that. The one closest to the seat is the actual "engage" lever, to turn on whichever PTO has been selected.
 

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   / Dumb questions that deserve good answers. #109  
Well they must have made a change from 2006-2007. Or maybe yours is a late 2007 and they were already changing for the new model 24xx series in 2008.

This is my 2006, and it functions in the same manner as posted:
The position furthest back is "off with a PTO brake" the middle position is "off without PTO brake" and of course forward is "PTO engaged"

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Strange to think it may have been discontinued for just a few years, as the OP has a 1715, which is two generations later than ours. Maybe too many complaints, or a focus on safety made them add back in the PTO-Locked position.

:confused3:
 
   / Dumb questions that deserve good answers. #110  
OK, now I see what's going on... sort of. Apparently, I've broken off the second plastic tab there in the PTO clutch lever slot! (see pic 2) And yes, moving the lever slowly forward, there does seem to be an internal detent there as a mid-position for the lever, just at the point where that tab is missing.

Guess I do remember it being there, but certainly never missed it -- I just slide the lever right on past it to be either fully forward or fully rearward. I always thought it was just a second safety to ensure you had to be deliberate about engaging the PTOs.

Went out to the tractor: the front PTO shaft (snowblower mounted) will turn easily by hand no matter where the clutch lever is positioned, if the "2000 RPM" lever is not engaged. As soon as the "2000 RPM" lever is engaged, the shaft cannot be turned no matter where the clutch lever is positioned. Didn't fiddle with the rear PTO shaft because its plastic cover is on. (This was with the tractor not running.)

Went into the manual, and it doesn't mention a "PTO Brake" anywhere, just says to move the PTO clutch lever forward to engage and rearward to disengage.

So-- I can't tell if there's a PTO Brake or not, but there was a second plastic tab there, near the center of the clutch lever slot, that's been broken off.

As far as my tractor, yes, it probably is a late 2007 -- It's just about to have its "birthday" as I got it in Feb of 2008, and I do remember that the "new, improved" 2400 series came very soon after I got my 2310.

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