Wet set concrete anchor brackets pole barn

[747driver]

I am now down to a pole barn or 'red iron' building. My only major dislike on the pole barn is putting the post in the ground. I came across this foundation bracket today ( Forever Post wet set column bracket ). Really like it and could be a game changer. I knew about the Perma Column bracket but I think this is a much better product. They are $50 each and each weighs 23 Lbs.

Forever column wet and dry set post anchors - YouTube
Video for forever column wet set▶ 3:36
Forever column wet and dry set post anchors - YouTube

Item # SWP66, Sturdi-Wall Plus - Wet Set Concrete Anchor Brackets On Midwest Perma-Column


Has anyone used something like this ?

Thanks

 

[Redlands Okie]

Ya and works fine. Saves rotted out post. Get em as tall as you can for more post stability. Also thing about which way to install them for the most stability for your application. Siding or tin on the wall will prevent racking parallel to the wall.

 

[oosik]

I've seen those things - never knew their name - used on a poured pony wall. The structure was a LARGE hay storage shed.

 

[s219]

That looks like a great option, but I wouldn't be so concerned about putting poles in the ground if they are good quality treated wood and you have properly taken care of drainage around the barn. There are also those plastic sheaths you can put around the pole for added insurance. The rot issue will begin at ground level where water can collect, so if you can eliminate that issue, the rot problem should not be a concern.

No reason not to go with these anchors in poured footing piers, but don't let poles in the ground scare you.

 

[cat fever]

I agree with s219,
I have built 3 pole barns over 15 years. The first two were just dirt packed around the post. The last one I put concrete in the holes. Mostly because there were so many I couldn't bare the thought of tamping that many post with dirt.:laughing: I have no rot or any concerns with any of the barns.
Here's a couple pics of the poles being set. 6X8X18

 

[RNeumann]

You won’t get the sheer out of the brackets so you will need to incorporate that into the walls.
Btw- Simpson has been making brackets for years.

 

[747driver]

I agree with s219,
I have built 3 pole barns over 15 years. The first two were just dirt packed around the post. The last one I put concrete in the holes. Mostly because there were so many I couldn't bare the thought of tamping that many post with dirt.:laughing: I have no rot or any concerns with any of the barns.
Here's a couple pics of the poles being set. 6X8X18


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Thanks for the pics ! Very nice looking job. Are those 'wall side light panels ? I have then included in my plans, both sides. I have an addition to the home I put on 8x8 treated post 8 years ago....still looks good. They are pretty much sheltered from the rain. I am always looking for new products that make building better. If I get the post direct bury I will only put concrete in the bottom of the hole....those post will rot quicker if totally enclosed in concrete. If I was younger (66 ) I would do it myself, but getting on tall roofs is a chore !!

 

[747driver]

Ya and works fine. Saves rotted out post. Get em as tall as you can for more post stability. Also thing about which way to install them for the most stability for your application. Siding or tin on the wall will prevent racking parallel to the wall.

I would put diagonal bracing on the corners.

 

[747driver]

You won’t get the sheer out of the brackets so you will need to incorporate that into the walls.
Btw- Simpson has been making brackets for years.

Simpson doesn't make this type that I know of. Only a couple manufacturers make the wet set that has rebar attached and upper flange connecting with bolts. These Forever brackets are made with 1/4" steel. I would put diagonal bracing in each corner.

 

[cat fever]

Thanks for the pics ! Very nice looking job. Are those 'wall side light panels ? I have then included in my plans, both sides.

Yes, they come in 8' lengths. (I think, can't remember) We cut the size we wanted.
On a cloudy day with all the doors shut you could easily work inside without any additional light.
These pictures it was a sunny day but you can see how much light they let in.

 

[GSVette]

I considered the permacolumns on my new 40x60x40 pole building but decided against the mostly due to the additional cost relative to treated posts-our ground conditions just didn’t justify the increased cost.

Additionally they really aren’t quite as capable as a column set in cement when you consider that the lateral loading s transferred through bolt bearing in timber versus transferring in shear in the timber-significant difference in capability-additionally the joint itself is more flexible.

 

[GSVette]

I considered the permacolumns on my new 40x60x14 pole building but decided against the mostly due to the additional cost relative to treated posts-our ground conditions just didn’t justify the increased cost.

Additionally they really aren’t quite as capable as a column set in cement when you consider that the lateral loading s transferred through bolt bearing in timber versus transferring in shear in the timber-significant difference in capability-additionally the joint itself is more flexible.

Correction s/b 14 for last dimension

 

[STx]

I ended up building red iron but, when considering a pole barn I was going to use polymer coated posts from these guys - Polymer Coated Wood | Industrial Wood Products | American Pole & Timber. They weren't very expensive and would produce any size post you wanted with as much or as little coating as you wanted. Completely eliminated ground contact and also gave you the shear strength of having the post buried.

 

[cat fever]

Correction s/b 14 for last dimension

I was thinking, that is a man sized building!

 

[747driver]

Thanks for the pics ! Very nice looking job. Are those 'wall side light panels ? I have then included in my plans, both sides.

Yes, they come in 8' lengths. (I think, can't remember) We cut the size we wanted.
On a cloudy day with all the doors shut you could easily work inside without any additional light.
These pictures it was a sunny day but you can see how much light they let in.


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Thats alot of firewood !! Did you buy your own materials or buy from a pole barn dealer ? That looks like a double truss system ? I have a quote of $32,000 for a 30x50x16 with no floor.

 

[ustmd]

Simpson doesn't make this type that I know of. Only a couple manufacturers make the wet set that has rebar attached and upper flange connecting with bolts. These Forever brackets are made with 1/4" steel. I would put diagonal bracing in each corner.

Simpson has a similar line:

Post Bases | Simpson Strong-Tie


Their new Movement Post base is rated for shear load:

MPBZ | Standoff Post Bases | Cast-in-Place Post Bases | Post Bases | Caps and Bases | Wood Construction Connectors | Connectors | Simpson Strong-Tie

 

[747driver]

I considered the permacolumns on my new 40x60x40 pole building but decided against the mostly due to the additional cost relative to treated posts-our ground conditions just didn’t justify the increased cost.

Additionally they really aren’t quite as capable as a column set in cement when you consider that the lateral loading s transferred through bolt bearing in timber versus transferring in shear in the timber-significant difference in capability-additionally the joint itself is more flexible.

Yes...it would add about $2500 to my cost.

 

[747driver]

I ended up building red iron but, when considering a pole barn I was going to use polymer coated posts from these guys - Polymer Coated Wood | Industrial Wood Products | American Pole & Timber. They weren't very expensive and would produce any size post you wanted with as much or as little coating as you wanted. Completely eliminated ground contact and also gave you the shear strength of having the post buried.

Thanks will do more research on this product. Hopefully you can just buy the coating and put it on yourself .

 

[EddieWalker]

There is always an industry out there making a solution to a problem that doesn't exist. Treated posts in the ground will never rot on you if there isn't any standing water around the posts after it rains. And if you build a building that has standing water around it's walls when it rains, you're building wont last no matter what you use.

Those little brackets remove the sheer strength of a post in the ground, so if you use them, then you need to brace your walls to make up for that loss of strength.

Where you planning on pouring a concrete pad for the post bases? Or where you going to pour an entire footing all the way around your building? Or are you going to pour a concrete foundation with a floor for the entire building? If you are pouring concrete, then stick framing and would be a better option then using the metal bases. Are you planning on insulating it or finishing off the interior walls? If so, stick framing becomes a better way to build then pole building because you will still need to frame up the wall anyway.

Be careful over thinking something that is already well thought out and proven 100 years ago.

 

[cat fever]

Thats alot of firewood !! Did you buy your own materials or buy from a pole barn dealer ? That looks like a double truss system ? I have a quote of $32,000 for a 30x50x16 with no floor.

I usually get firewood every year but don't burn it all, so it just keeps piling up.

I bought all the material on my own, the plans were in my head. Kind of made it up as I went along.

In the "Rural Living" thread I detailed the building of my barn. The title is "Raising a Barn".

Mine is 72X57X12 the awning is 12' of the 57'. Total cost was about 30 grand. I did all the work except the concrete and big doors. There were a couple small mistakes along the way, but only a trained eye would catch them. My family and friends sure didn't see any of them.