Container Weld Shop build -

[Oldpath05]

Those firewood bundles around 100 lb+-, so as of now 200lb is the most I'll be lifting and besides that, that beam is only made of hardwood glued and screwed. Those HF hoist are a decent buy but they look like they weigh as much as they lift and like you was saying hooking it to a trolley wont be easy, I'll have to do some research on that.

Ok first picture, I forgot why is to be as on, like what would exhibit A be on the need for an electric winch on a FEL? Keep in mind FEL

Second picture, or first container picture shows some nice long distant scenery where is I dont even have 300' around my house, I have to go up down the road about a mile before I can see any long distances. Looks like at your place you could take your 1874 Sharps rifle and do some long distance target practicing atleast that's what I would do if I had nice scenery like that, but not towards the west we dont want to start a war with North Korea just because someone wants to grow some much needed medical marijuana.

And in on that second first container picture, do I see in on the furthermore lot way in the back that some logging was done?

 

[BukitCase]

Looks like the little 440 winch would work for you - "Shipping Weight 24.95 lb."
When I get a minute I'll do a sketch of what I'm gonna do for the larger 1 ton version -

"need for an electric winch on a FEL?" - That was just one example, for which I have at LEAST one answer - In that "first container pic" - notice the "black and rust" brush bucket in the lower right corner? That mounts on the FEL using the "big hook tinker toys", plugged into the lower outside pair of receivers - and there's been a couple times I've needed to use that brush bucket as a "tank retriever" when my ZTR decides to take a dump down in the pasture - previously I've had to winch the ZTR into the brush bucket using my old cable type comealong; hard to run a comealong AND guide what you're pulling at the same time - and since I consider myself living proof that lazy men make the best inventors, I'm now set up so I can put the little "euro-style" genny into the hoe bucket, plug in the (already there) extension cord to the genny, pick up the brush bucket, plug the "porta-winch" into the middle FEL receiver, and go play "tank retriever" the EASY (er) way...

There's also times when I wanna pick something with the FEL, and set it on a trailer in a specific spot (so I can cram MORE things on there) - for example, this last fall I set my 6' tiller, 6' flail, 7' soil prepper, 6' back blade, and a couple MORE implements on my 18' flatbed trailer so ALL of them would be out of the weather in my "tractor tunnel", AKA 2 Costco "garages" end-to-end with fabric roofs replaced with stringers and fiberglass roofing, and STILL have room for both the non-FEL tractors with Gannon box on one - I DID that WITHOUT the little winch, but it would've been faster/easier if I could've just got each implement "close" with the FEL, then used the winch pendant with ONE hand and guided/pulled with the other...

Then there's the little 5x8 tilt trailer I drag around with the Subaru Outback - some CL finds are a bit chunky without a helper, I can mount the winch on an adapter similar to this
Multi-Use Ball Mount

('cept I'd build my own) - Then, with the little Euro-genny in the back of the car I can drag whatever it is up the tilt-bed til it flips back flat, drag it a bit more for some tongue weight, replace the tilt lock pin, (important, they say), strap things down and go...

"Looks like at your place you could take your 1874 Sharps rifle and do some long distance target practicing"

Don't have one of those, hafta settle for a Browning 300winmag with a 6-20 power Nikon scope and yeah, when I get around to it I have a backstop down at the bottom corner of the back pasture, (Needs brush hogged ATM) over 600 yard range without ever leaving my property - Might be gettin' that target practice pretty soon, 'yotes are gettin a little TOO friendly now that the east neighbor's raisin' a couple beef - a step ladder against one of those containers and I might be able to center-punch a 'yote before he knows I'm there

"And in on that second first container picture, do I see in on the furthermore lot way in the back that some logging was done?" - Yup, property WAS about a 600 acre sheep ranch - typical story, the owner died (nice guy) so his kids sold the place; new owner sold off almost all the timber (couple HUNDRED truckloads, maybe more) used that money (and an excavator) to pay it off, dig the stumps, burn the slash, and seed it in rye grass - now runs a few head of cattle (and has the place up for sale ) - Oh, and raised the wind speed on our hill by about 10 MORE mph (life's a *****, but it's not OUR property, deal with it...)... Steve

 

[BukitCase]

Sorry the sketches took so long



HTH... Steve

Oh, BTW - if you don't need the winch as close as it can be to the beam, a MUCH simpler way is just find a piece of square tube that'll fit into those factory brackets - then weld a piece of FB to one side of the tubing with a big hole for your trolley bolt, (look at the PINK part in pic3, replace the big pink bar with tube) and you can slide the whole thing around in those brackets til you like the balance...

 

[Oldpath05]

"(Looks like the little 440 winch would work for you - "Shipping Weight 24.95 lb.)" Humm 25 lb isn't that on the heavy-ish side? and I have to a winch as close to the beam as possible, maybe on top, I already bottom out the chainfalls stacking bundles up on top, might have to do some redneck engineering.

"(There's also times when I wanna pick something with the FEL, and set it on a trailer in a specific spot (so I can cram MORE things on there) - for example,)"<<<<<I know everything but the kitchen sink, yeah ok I see your point, need a 3rd hand that can lift a 1000 lbs by a push of a button, know what ya mean, that's what happens when we get older, now when we snap our fingers the wife dont come running anymore.


"( hafta settle for a Browning 300winmag with a 6-20 power Nikon scope and yeah, when I get around to it I have a backstop down at the bottom corner of the back pasture, (Needs brush hogged ATM) over 600 yard range without ever leaving my property)" 600 yards that's awesome and you bush hog around an ATM<Automated Teller Machine, no wonder you have all kinds of money to make stuff. Around here coyotes cant seem to break into ATMs, maybe that's why I hear them howling once and a while, and at times quite close but if the they was just 300' they'd be in the woods and out of sight, but after tem minutes there gone, probably headed out your way.

 

[BukitCase]

"Automated Teller Machine" - Good one :laughing: Also stands for At The Moment in geek-speak

Here's part of your jib pic, with the small winch set next to your chain fall - close as I could tell I got 'em to the same scale, and if you went with my sketch and replaced the "dongle" your winch is hangin' on right now, looks like they'd come out about even for height.



"25 lb isn't that on the heavy-ish side?" - Nope, I just weighed one of my chain falls (same one as yours) - and it weighed just under 25 lbs INCLUDING the 5 gallon plastic bucket it's in, so basically NO CHANGE in weight between the two - if anything, the electric should weigh LESS, since that 25 lbs is SHIPPING weight... Steve

 

[Oldpath05]

Doing a little movie magic, clever, but shouldn't that winch go transverse so's not to loose travel motion, distance, length, movement?
Here's an updated picture I took this past weekend, I have the chainfalls bottomed out and at times it's just barely high enough. The biggest problem I have with these chainfalls if the the up&down chain only works good when its perfectly around the bundle which at most times is hard to maintain so when the chain is off to the side it jams up and that's when aggravation steps in. That's why if had electric winch there'd be no more Hoover jam, theridicly, but then, seems like there's always a but, I wonder what about the electric cable, will that get tangled up in the trolley, I just dont want to move aggravation from one place to the next, I want it out of here and go bother people on the west coast where they have more patience, know what I mean Vern..........

 

[BukitCase]

"shouldn't that winch go transverse so's not to loose travel motion, distance, length, movement?"

It could, but that can cause balance problems - with NO load, the motor is heavier than the cable spool - so if you hang the winch so THAT works, when you hang a LOAD on it that UN-balances the load on the trolley. If you remember the pics of my "mini-jib", I have that problem - somebody on a different site posted a "fix", which I shamelessly "borrowed" -



I haven't DONE that yet, and I'm not sure there's ROOM on YOUR wood beam - I just looked at one of my trolleys, and if you drilled holes for the bearings just below where the side plates angle inward it should work (on YOURS) to keep the trolley from tilting.

Next problem - I do NOT know what the measurements are on those 440 winches, but the 1100 lb one on my "mini-jib" actually HANGS from the long "spacer bolt" on the trolley, using those 2 brackets shown on the factory picture - if the 440 winch is SHORTER, that might not work - you'd probably need to actually TOUCH one of the small ones (dunno how close your nearest HF store is) - if that'd work for you, you should measure the total length of your trolley's big fat bolt fulla washers - here's what I mean (zoom in on that pic, I marked it up)-



"Here's an updated picture I took this past weekend, I have the chainfalls bottomed out and at times it's just barely high enough."

If necessary, it looks like you could maybe raise your jib a few inches fairly simple (easy for ME to say if YOU'RE the one doin' it

"The biggest problem I have with these chainfalls if the the up&down chain only works good when its perfectly around the bundle which at most times is hard to maintain so when the chain is off to the side it jams up and that's when aggravation steps in."

Yeah, they are a PITA for that; I tend to hold BOTH of the pull chains in one hand, keep tension on 'em and stand to the side a bit and pull one while letting the OTHER one slip thru my glove - still, irritating...

"That's why if had electric winch there'd be no more Hoover jam, theridicly, but then, seems like there's always a but, I wonder what about the electric cable, will that get tangled up in the trolley, I just dont want to move aggravation from one place to the next"

Right; the whole idea of changing things is to ELIMINATE PITA's, not ADD MORE - Here's what I did on the "mini-jib", but it's only 4 feet long; you might need "outriggers" on BOTH ends of the electric cords - it's also how I mounted the 1100 lb winch, but the 440 might be a different distance between mounts - if so, you'd need to fab something similar to my sketches instead - notice that the cords fall BELOW the trolley...



Personally, I'd rather figger out a way to hold a cord out of the way than put up with those chains, specially the way YOU'RE havin' to do it...

Oh - things that taught me patience -

Wife that likes horses -
Horses -
Hauling hay for horses
Cleaning up after horses
Kids (and grandkids)
Kids that're allergic to cow milk
Dairy goats (see above)
Building fences that'll keep goats in/out
Building FEEDERS that'll keep goats from WASTING most of their feed
Couple HUNDRED OTHER Things, but list is gettin' too long

Anyway, cogitate on my suggestions, they might actually WORK :laughing: ... Steve

 

[BukitCase]

Just got back from town, stopped at HF store and measured their 440# winch - the factory "U" brackets and their threaded holes will bolt right onto the fat spacer bolt on their 1 ton trolley - and your trolley looks to be identical, so THAT part should be easy - wiring too, I would just run the winch to the outer end of the beam, fasten any kind of "outrigger" maybe 14" long to the support strut halfway along the beam, and maybe add one to the winch itself to be sure - then the POWER cord would go up the support strut and down the wall, and the control pendant can just hang down. You'd probably need a short extension cord for the power, it's about the length of your BEAM but not long enough to go wherever your power plug would be... Steve

 

[Oldpath05]

Oh - things that taught me patience -

Wife that likes horses -
Horses -
Hauling hay for horses
Cleaning up after horses
Kids (and grandkids)
Kids that're allergic to cow milk
Dairy goats (see above)
Building fences that'll keep goats in/out
Building FEEDERS that'll keep goats from WASTING most of their feed
Couple HUNDRED OTHER Things, but list is gettin' too long

Anyway, cogitate on my suggestions, they might actually WORK :laughing: ... Steve

Well I wanted to last night but the wife said she had a headache, again. I see you have a list of the 10 commandments, but me think you forgot one that surely will produce more patience (for you) if all else fails>>>Thou shalt love thy scumbag neighbor more than thy tinker toys especially if they live on the west side. I love my neighbors on the west side of me, it's amazing how friendly trees can be.

Well might be another issue with transverse winch setup besides the balance, in that other picture I posted I just realised my jib crane has to swing against the wall to get the bundles stacked so like in your previous movie magic picture, I'm wondering if that hoist can be swung around in the opposite direction so is to the moter sticks out beyond the end of boom? And did you stick a bering under your trolley yet? like in one of the pictures you posted, if not how is your hoist staying level if the motor part is heavier?

 

[BukitCase]

"my jib crane has to swing against the wall to get the bundles stacked so like in your previous movie magic picture, I'm wondering if that hoist can be swung around in the opposite direction so is to the moter sticks out beyond the end of boom?"

Yup, you'd just need to do it like those sketches I posted, only turn the hoist end for end - you'd ALSO need to trim off your "bumper block" at the end of the jib (flush with the bottom of the I beam) so the motor wouldn't hit it. The trolley doesn't need that lower part anyway.

For YOUR setup to work with the hoist, I would place the BIG HOLE in the PINK piece (the 4th sketch), CENTERED about 1" AWAY from the INNER FLANGE of the cable spool (partly OVER the spool - see where the big black arrow points), PLUS you'd DEFINITELY need the bearings in the pics, or the hoist would rub on the bottom of your beam... that hole position should make it so there's not much TILT for the added bearings to overcome.

I gave up tryin' to figger THAT part out for the 1 ton version I'll be doing, so I just planned on TWO trolleys - one centered over each pair of mounting holes on the hoist - that way there'll be a trolley supporting the cable spool, and one for the motor. (That 1 tonner is a LOT bigger than the 440# one, right at TWICE as long AND TWICE as wide, plus instead of maybe 23 lbs it's more like 75...

"And did you stick a bering under your trolley yet? "

Nope, haven't got around to ordering the right bearings, etc -

"like in one of the pictures you posted, if not how is your hoist staying level if the motor part is heavier?"

It's NOT staying level; at least, not ALWAYS - I haven't been using the jib a lot lately, other fish to fry. And it doesn't tilt when there's a load on, so hasn't been quite irritating enough for me to push that to the top of the list - PLUS, my jib is just low enough I can reach up and push the hoist around by the motor, so that helps

If I didn't 'splain that well enough, let me know and I'll do a more accurate sketch (now that we know what you wanna do ) ... Steve