New battery technology?

[bcp]

Could We Finally Be Close to A Major Breakthrough In Solid State Battery?

Axios reports that some of the world's biggest industrial companies including Samsung, Japan's Hitachi and an alliance of auto giants consisting of Renault, Nissan and Mitsubishi have collectively invested $65 million in Massachusetts-based Ionic Materials. The little-known startup claims to have developed a new composition of matter a liquid crystal polymer that can make solid-state batteries a viable alternative to lithium-ion and other high-energy storage technologies that are currently used. If Ionic's claims including that of their battery being safer, offering better performance and having higher energy density than traditional lithium ion batteries (LBOs) available today are independently validated, they could solve most of the main problems that persist with solid state research.


Bruce

 

[oosik]

I heard rumbling of something like that a couple weeks ago. It was some thread I was following in a tech news article. It could have major repercussions in so very many fields.

 

[RNeumann]

Bring it on! It’s that or my iPhone needs a nuclear reactor....this battery life stinks

 

[buickanddeere]

There are endless research projects that just needs millions in research . Wages are paid, bills are paid and research company makes big bucks until the grant money runs out . Now the research company is almost there and only need another 25 million . 25 million gets spent......repeat the process.
Unless the Almighty adds some new elements to the periodic table. There are NO new battery anode, cathode or electrolyte materials . Battery tech has plateaued. Spent lots more and get a very small improvement .

 

[groundcover]

Ultra capacity capacitor looks like the future.

 

[Industrial Toys]

What's wrong with zero point energy? Why do you want to mess with batteries?

It was Trumps uncle (if I recall correctly) a protege of yet another Bush (head of science) that supervised the emptying of Tesla's Safe at the time of his death.

 

[newbury]

There are endless research projects that just needs millions in research . Wages are paid, bills are paid and research company makes big bucks until the grant money runs out . Now the research company is almost there and only need another 25 million . 25 million gets spent......repeat the process.
Unless the Almighty adds some new elements to the periodic table. There are NO new battery anode, cathode or electrolyte materials . Battery tech has plateaued. Spent lots more and get a very small improvement .

Don't you realize the periodic table is just an invention of man?

We added 4 elements in 2016.

Have you read about Lithium air batteries?

Same old elements, just put together different.

 

[buickanddeere]

Don't you realize the periodic table is just an invention of man?

We added 4 elements in 2016.

Have you read about Lithium air batteries?

Same old elements, just put together different.

Tell us please how those isotopes could be of use in energy storage or power production ?

 

[cqaigy2]

Wow, buickanddeere is late to this thread, he must be slipping. :laughing:

 

[RNeumann]

This is the beauty of experimentation, progress and exploring!

 

[buickanddeere]

This is the beauty of experimentation, progress and exploring!

You can experiment but most people know enough not to look for treasure in a dung pile . Take a look at the valance electrons of those four “new” elements . Do you imagine making a cathode or anode from either ? What is the energy density going to be vs lithium, the lightest metal.
For those thinking there are new high density batteries that operate at room temperature , at atmospheric pressure and are not exceptionally toxic . There is a bridge in Brookland you maybe interested in.
A lithium based battery is the highest energy density rechargeable chemical battery possible .

 

[houstonscott]

And they've been around since mid 1980's. That's about 35 years... Batteries are a mature technology.

 

[tallyho8]

Rumor had it that, back in 1899, U.S. Commissioner of Patents Charles H. Duell said to close the patent office that everything that could be invented had been invented.

I am very skeptical any time anyone says that something can't be done. Throughout history mankind has said many things can't be done and were proven wrong years later. My father had several patents on an electronic process back in the 1940s that he could not market because everyone said it couldn't be done. Only after his death and his patent expired was it developed and successful with him getting no credit for it at all.

There are people who believe that anything that you can imagine can eventually be done and there are others who claim that everything worth inventing has already been invented.

 

[RNeumann]

I just got off the phone with Samsung, Hitachi, Nissan, Renault and Mitsubishi. I let them know they are wasting their time and money. I also pointed them to this forum for some expert direction. Unfortunately, during my call with Hitachi, I had to put them on hold so I could yell at the neighbor kids to get off my lawn.

 

[buickanddeere]

Those of you mak By the claims . Let’s see your credits earned in school chemistry class , engineering etc . Pull out the periodic table and have a look at it . What is on there better than lithium ?

 

[bcp]

The article doesn't say they are not using lithium, just that their battery is better than traditional lithium ion batteries.

And this sounds like they ARE using lithium:

"First, they assert that lithium ions, as key components of the battery's electrochemistry, move as fast if not faster through Ionic's polymer than they would through a conventional liquid electrolyte system"

Bruce

 

[bunyip]

Would one of these help
Flux Capacitor | Jaycar Electronics
Available from one of our local electronic supply houses (when back in stock)

 

[bunyip]

Rumor had it that, back in 1899, U.S. Commissioner of Patents Charles H. Duell said to close the patent office that everything that could be invented had been invented.

I am very skeptical any time anyone says that something can't be done. Throughout history mankind has said many things can't be done and were proven wrong years later. My father had several patents on an electronic process back in the 1940s that he could not market because everyone said it couldn't be done. Only after his death and his patent expired was it developed and successful with him getting no credit for it at all.

There are people who believe that anything that you can imagine can eventually be done and there are others who claim that everything worth inventing has already been invented.

Similarly about 100 years earlier a group of prominent doctors exclaimed that medicine had achieved its limits.
I think of my first mono reel to reel tape deck then went stereo, my car had a state of the art 8 track cartridge player the cassette which was replaced when Dolby rermoved the hiss, then CD player, my new car does not have a CD player but has a USB slot for reading a memory stick and committing it to internal memory, likewise BETA video, VHS, DVD, Bluray and now a device that isa touch smaller than my little finger nail that can store many hundreds of HD videos.
My first digital camera was 1.4mp, then I went to 6mp, a few in between and now I have a 36mp and shortly after I got that they went to over 50mp, my drone that fits in my pocket is 4K as is my video camera.
Our first colour TV, about a 20" CRT was about $1500 in 1975, our new 65" 4K LED TV was about $2000.
When I got my first new car in 1970 it had a radio and heater and seat belts (optional on some cars then) my new one has all of the above and surround sound, climate control, 9 airbags, ABS, ESC, 8 speed Auto, cruise control, heated mirrors for frosty starts, rear camera, collission avoidance, lane departure warning, blind spot warning, heated and cooled seats, refrigerated centre console and a host of other things I have probably forgotten or haven't discovered yet.
What will we see in the next ten years?

 

[houstonscott]

You are making my point, during all the change you chronicle batteries have remained the same, ask yourself why.....

 

[vvanders]

I think Max Planck said it best,

A new scientific truth does not triumph by convincing its opponents and making them see the light, but rather because its opponents eventually die, and a new generation grows up that is familiar with it.