Kubota subcompacts are no longer the obvious king of the subcompact hill.

   / Kubota subcompacts are no longer the obvious king of the subcompact hill. #81  
I did not buy a BX
I just looked at my Invoice for the Kubota MX5800 I just took custody of a couple weeks ago
On the invoice I received a $500 discount as a New Customer ; A$400 Rebate for a 1st Implement and a $300 Rebate for a 2nd Implement.
20% down payment and 0% interest for 84 months

and the Rebates and Discount were taken off before then sales tax was applied saving me a bit more.
 
   / Kubota subcompacts are no longer the obvious king of the subcompact hill. #82  
The Deere insurance is a 1-time fee for the life of the financing which is substantially lower than KTAC.
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As you should be guessing, it's also substantially different coverage. A quick read of TBN will find many people making claims against their KTAC insurance... but I don't think I've ever seen one report of someone making a claim against their Deere coverage. Costs are obviously different, we've been asking for a high-deductible plan for that reason. KTAC is a fantastic product.
 
   / Kubota subcompacts are no longer the obvious king of the subcompact hill.
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As you should be guessing, it's also substantially different coverage. A quick read of TBN will find many people making claims against their KTAC insurance... but I don't think I've ever seen one report of someone making a claim against their Deere coverage. Costs are obviously different, we've been asking for a high-deductible plan for that reason. KTAC is a fantastic product.

Messick,

Just curious if you've had any experience with Massey insurance coverage that they do ? There's is done via Inland Marine as I recall - and I assume AGCO may own that entity. Its different than J.D. insurance I know and its deductibles are pretty low as well - but they seem to cover a lot of things that most homeowner's policies even with an optional rider on the homeowner's. I know a couple people that swear by KTAC (not swear at it LOL).
 
   / Kubota subcompacts are no longer the obvious king of the subcompact hill. #84  
As you should be guessing, it's also substantially different coverage. A quick read of TBN will find many people making claims against their KTAC insurance... but I don't think I've ever seen one report of someone making a claim against their Deere coverage. Costs are obviously different, we've been asking for a high-deductible plan for that reason. KTAC is a fantastic product.

Care to elaborate on how its substantially different? Besides the obvious, the price... seems KTAC is about $1600 for 5 years versus the $231 for the Deere insurance. I'm not saying it isn't, I just don't know enough between the two to make a claim whereas obviously you do. Sell us on KTAC! :)

I do know KTAC is available even if you don't finance, whereas UltraGuard is only when financed through Deere. Sentry does offer a version of it without Deere but I'm not sure if the pricing is close to the same... I'm guessing its much higher.

Messick,

Just curious if you've had any experience with Massey insurance coverage that they do ? There's is done via Inland Marine as I recall - and I assume AGCO may own that entity. Its different than J.D. insurance I know and its deductibles are pretty low as well - but they seem to cover a lot of things that most homeowner's policies even with an optional rider on the homeowner's. I know a couple people that swear by KTAC (not swear at it LOL).

Inland marine is not a company but a type of policy which basically is insurance for anything you can move to different locations. Most if not all providers of homeowners insurance will write an inland marine policy to cover your tractor/tools/etc. Both KTAC and UltraGuard are probably just customized inland marine policies supplied by regular insurance companies, KTAC is Ohio Indemnity and UltraGuard is Sentry Insurance.
 
   / Kubota subcompacts are no longer the obvious king of the subcompact hill. #85  
The good thing about buying a Kubota BX is that you won't feel compelled to make threads like this all the time. You can just use your tractor and be king of the hill anyway.

I happened to get a spring Kubota flyer from one of my local dealers this week. I always look at rebates for cash purchases, and the BX offer is inline with the same thing they have run in past years -- $700 discount with purchase of two implements. B series also similar to historical deals -- $700 discount with purchase of two implements. The offer that jumped out at me was for the L01 models, which carry $500 rebate plus $1000 with purchase of two implements. That's a little higher than I remember. But B and BX, nope, same as it's been for a long time, at least as far back as 2011 when I was first shopping for a Kubota.
 
   / Kubota subcompacts are no longer the obvious king of the subcompact hill. #86  
Care to elaborate on how its substantially different? Besides the obvious, the price... seems KTAC is about $1600 for 5 years versus the $231 for the Deere insurance. I'm not saying it isn't, I just don't know enough between the two to make a claim whereas obviously you do. Sell us on KTAC! :)

I do know KTAC is available even if you don't finance, whereas UltraGuard is only when financed through Deere. Sentry does offer a version of it without Deere but I'm not sure if the pricing is close to the same... I'm guessing its much higher.



Inland marine is not a company but a type of policy which basically is insurance for anything you can move to different locations. Most if not all providers of homeowners insurance will write an inland marine policy to cover your tractor/tools/etc. Both KTAC and UltraGuard are probably just customized inland marine policies supplied by regular insurance companies, KTAC is Ohio Indemnity and UltraGuard is Sentry Insurance.

That is a craptastic statement, and I will provide a supporting argument for me saying that. I'm guessing that you have not yet dealt with KTAC, I have on 2 Kubota purchases in the last 8 months or so, so I am freshly familiar with how it works. For the sake of helping others easily understand the actual facts about how KTAC is charged out, I offer the following:

KTAC is based purely on a cost ($16.70) per thousand dollars covered multiplied by years financed or if not financed...you pay per year up front. So you can not apply any arbitrary numbers to the policy. It is what it is and is different for each "deal" based on the value of the insured package or based on the value of the used equipment. For used equipment, you call KTAC and provide serial numbers and a stated value and the insurance is quoted based on that stated value. There is some wriggle room here, but you can not ask for say... $25,000 coverage on your used BX. They will allow reasonable value ranges. I never challenged them to provide clarification as to what the limits or extents of used equipment values are. In my case I had a used 2013 BX25D TLB that I paid $14,000 for. They covered that $14,000 on request with no hesitation.

If you buy that BX/Mower for $10,000 it's around $167 per year times years financed (4 years? 6 years? 7 years?) and this is front loaded into your financing. If you buy cash and choose to add KTAC, you just pay that $167 and next year you pay again. Let us assume you do the full 84 month, 7 years... $1169 for the 7 years.

If you buy a B2650 TLB like I did at $28,000 (ish), it is 28 x $16.70 = $467 (per year) X 7 years = $3273 loaded into the financing.

Go buy a Grand L turbo big boy with TLB, add a few attachments and get up around $50,000. 50 x $16.70 = $835 per year, and do the 84 months (7 years) to be $5845 for the duration of financing.

You specifically said 5 years, so lets see where the 5 year numbers are compared to your suggested $1,600.
BX $10,000-ish package $835 to cover 5 years.
B2650 loaded like mine $2,335 to cover 5 years.
Grand L big boy mentioned above, $4,175 to cover 5 years.

There is no "about" number. They tell you flat out what the cost per $1,000 covered is, what you order/spend on the machine sets the annual rate and what your financing term is sets the annual multiplier.
 
   / Kubota subcompacts are no longer the obvious king of the subcompact hill. #87  
That is a craptastic statement, and I will provide a supporting argument for me saying that. I'm guessing that you have not yet dealt with KTAC, I have on 2 Kubota purchases in the last 8 months or so, so I am freshly familiar with how it works. For the sake of helping others easily understand the actual facts about how KTAC is charged out, I offer the following:

Woah there, tiger. Before calling someones statements "craptastic", which the majority of us stopped around middle school, you have to consider the fact that as a reply to another post, which was a reply to my post... the original context of those were very useful in comprehending what is being discussed.

In no way did I mean to say that it's the exact same cost no matter the insured value.

KTAC is based purely on a cost ($16.70) per thousand dollars covered multiplied by years financed or if not financed...you pay per year up front. So you can not apply any arbitrary numbers to the policy. It is what it is and is different for each "deal" based on the value of the insured package or based on the value of the used equipment. For used equipment, you call KTAC and provide serial numbers and a stated value and the insurance is quoted based on that stated value. There is some wriggle room here, but you can not ask for say... $25,000 coverage on your used BX. They will allow reasonable value ranges. I never challenged them to provide clarification as to what the limits or extents of used equipment values are. In my case I had a used 2013 BX25D TLB that I paid $14,000 for. They covered that $14,000 on request with no hesitation.

There is no "about" number. They tell you flat out what the cost per $1,000 covered is, what you order/spend on the machine sets the annual rate and what your financing term is sets the annual multiplier.

I didn't provide "any arbitrary numbers", I told you what it was for the deal I was referring to... a BX23S versus a 1025R TLB. It's "about" because the KTAC price is actually missing a box blade and 3-point arms included in the Deere deal, which is exact, so it's actually more than $28 per month. As they are both pretty simple calculations based on insured value (purchase price in this case), it's safe to assume the ratio is about right. (I don't know if Deere has a $ per $ financed, I used their calculator to obtain $231. If that's the case, Deere's UltraGard is 13% the cost of Kubota's KTAC... so it **** well better be a LOT better!)

Insurance is insurance is insurance, it's obviously all based off the risk factors (Deere's insurance is higher for cotton pickers, which are apparently a higher risk!) and - of course - insured value. And we still don't know the core differences between the two products besides price, which Messicks hopefully will provide. I believe the core difference is that KTAC is similar in costs to getting a policy through any insurance place, but has been tailored specifically for tractor owners... whereas the Deere insurance is tailored specifically to financed Deere products only, and based on the cost difference must subsidized by Deere in some form, even if just in repair/parts costs in the event of a claim. But that's purely hypothetical.

The Kubota dealers I've spoken with are definitely more familiar with the KTAC product than the Deere dealers I've experienced are with UltraGard. Deere pays them a 15% commission for selling it, if the same or similar is true for Kubota that can account for some of the bigger pitch by Kubota dealers. :)
 
   / Kubota subcompacts are no longer the obvious king of the subcompact hill. #88  
The Kubota dealers I've spoken with are definitely more familiar with the KTAC product than the Deere dealers I've experienced are with UltraGard. Deere pays them a 15% commission for selling it, if the same or similar is true for Kubota that can account for some of the bigger pitch by Kubota dealers. :)

We get $25 for selling KTAC.. yippie! Its not a profit center. I don't know the details of Deere's insurance, someone else can dive in and do that comparison. It does not look like they give any details online except to say that its underwritten by a 3rd party called Sentry. I'd not guess it covers much of anything, given you never.. ever... see anyone make a claim against it, where we're probably making a claim with KTAC once a week.
 
   / Kubota subcompacts are no longer the obvious king of the subcompact hill. #89  
We get $25 for selling KTAC.. yippie! Its not a profit center. I don't know the details of Deere's insurance, someone else can dive in and do that comparison. It does not look like they give any details online except to say that its underwritten by a 3rd party called Sentry. I'd not guess it covers much of anything, given you never.. ever... see anyone make a claim against it, where we're probably making a claim with KTAC once a week.

Sorry, I thought when you said earlier that it was substantially different that came from actual knowledge and not the assumption that it "doesn't cover much of anything". Having received the brochure on UltraGard and KTAC, I put together this simple spreadsheet comparing the two products. What's covered vs not covered appears essentially the same.

There are definitely some big benefits to KTAC - the fact it works with any brand, with or without financing, and offers total replacement if it is financed not just actual cash value. That makes it a superior product to the UltraGard offering. But at quite literally 8 times the cost of the UltraGard product. The deductible on the UltraGard is $500 vs KTACs $250, so after just 7.3 claims with KTAC you get that money back.

Both are handled by the dealer with new OEM replacement parts, at least for Kubota and Deere products.

Personally I am purchasing a Deere and probably taking advantage of the 0%, both options are available to me. I find the UltraGard pricing to be much more reasonable for emergency "if **** hits the fan" coverage. To each their own.

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   / Kubota subcompacts are no longer the obvious king of the subcompact hill. #90  
That comparison spreadsheet is helpful ishiboo. Do most owners just have insurance on the machine and not have liability?
 

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