Anyone ever regretted buying a HST?

   / Anyone ever regretted buying a HST? #71  
It seems like the #1 and #2 complaint for a HST is noise and power loss. Buy a couple more horses than required and test drive the tractor first. Some whine more than others.

That makes sense to me, Frankly I think we have missed discussing one of the most important things about HST and that is the cost & quality relationship.

Just like a good gear tranny with toroidal shaped gear teeth is quieter, more reliable, makes less gear noise, and costs way more than a cheaper gearbox with straight-cut gears, the same thing is just as true for HST trannys. The higher quality HST cost more, are more efficient, and any whine is almost inaudible. You get what you pay for.

The same goes for higher HP engines. They can also run quieter & cooler because the big engine doesn't have to be running at high RPM under load - it's just loafing along. But again, it costs more to buy and to operate.

My takeaway from this discussion is that a person considering the convenience and operating advantages of HST should also be thinking about putting other things like quality and convenience over price when looking at which tractor to buy.

Personally I wouldn't buy an economy tractor with an economy HST. If economy is the most important thing, I'd be leaning toward some form of geared tractor myself.
But since HST is what I prefer now, I'm likely to be looking at the more expensive tractors and asking questions like, "WHY is it more expensive? Exactly what are those extra dollars buying for me?"

I don't mind spending the money, but I want solid answers to those questions.....One answer that worked for us was HST+. It has adjustable attack rate and no less than 6 ranges. Yep, you guessed right if you guess that with that many ranges you can generally find a range where it doesn't whine at all.
Yes, it also costs more...and not only costs more, but only comes on the premium model tractor. With a big engine.....

Around here we prefer using the HST+ tractor over our glideshift or manual transmission tractors. Only if we were forced into buying economy would we go gears again.
But if dollars are controlling whether we can afford a tractor to help do the work, we would buy a geared machine in a heartbeat and without any remorse. In fact, we did just that back in the years before good quality HST became affordable for us. And we still have those good machines.
Enjoy!
rScotty
 
   / Anyone ever regretted buying a HST? #72  
   / Anyone ever regretted buying a HST? #73  
Why not use the back hoe? That's what I do for my small garden.
 
   / Anyone ever regretted buying a HST? #74  
One thing I have noticed about running my father in laws HST john deere is the whine gets louder as RPMs go up it does get drowned out by the motor but still noticeable. I like the gear/shuttle tractors more as I learned that style and have ran it longer. I'm not sure what everyone is talking about trying to find gears to go forward or reverse when all of your modern day tractors use a simple lever vs using a seperate pedal they pretty much nullify each other. I like to be able to turn tighter using the tire brake pedals that you get when using gear tractors. I have got myself out of some sketchy situations being able to break one tire over the other. Running tight vineyards or any Ag rows with HST is nice (when you have cruise) but making a tight turn at the end would involve a 3 point or more turn instead of just pressing the appropriate tire brake. I'm not sure who is claiming a hydro transmission is easier to work on. Neither are easy, I've worked on a commercial farm along with family's and haven't seen a gear tractor need a transmission overhaul just a clutch. A clutch is a lot cheaper to replace than to rebuild/replace a hydro unit, the hydro units we have had rebuilt never seemed to function like new either not as strong or more leakdown. They each have their pluses but I find gear shift to be more versatile. I also like being able to use the throttle pedal to adjust rpm vs always using the dash throttle. If it starts to bog a little I can step on the pedal to bring up RPM then when it is running right I can let back off to the preset rpm.

I'm just thinking out loud I'm not against HST but when I buy my tractor it will be gear shift, I don't lose the power HST robs, I don't have to listen to the whine, there are a few more pros I listed above.

Disclaimer:I have only ran the John Deere 3032e in HST so I am not sure if larger HST tractors come standard with left/right wheel brakes.
 
   / Anyone ever regretted buying a HST? #75  
Disclaimer:I have only ran the John Deere 3032e in HST so I am not sure if larger HST tractors come standard with left/right wheel brakes.

My DK35se Kioti has independent brakes on the left side. There is no clutch. the twin directional pedals are on the right.
 
   / Anyone ever regretted buying a HST? #76  
My DK35se Kioti has independent brakes on the left side. There is no clutch. the twin directional pedals are on the right.

That's the same way my late 70's IH2500b was. I loved that thing. :p The first couple years our trees were still small and I had to mow between them a few times per year per the gubermint agreement, I'd use the turning brakes at the end of the rows to make the turn 180 degrees around the last sapling in the row, and then head down the next row. No need to make wide turns or back up. Very easy. I also had a foot throttle on the right foot, and diff lock on the right heel, as I recall.
 
   / Anyone ever regretted buying a HST? #77  
I have several of both, hydro and geared tractors...

The BIG thing about hydro's is, all that hydro whine! If you are out there working for hours, it drives you nuts!

SR

I hear that......literally. My regret is my neighbor bought a New Holland Boomer with HST. Thing is so loud, I can hear it whine...more like scream..... around his place when he uses it. He said dealer says that is normal....it surely can't be. I keep waiting on it to blow up.

I've owned a straight gear drive Yanmar, then a NH with HST (that wasn't noisy at all), and now a Yanmar with shuttle shift. I prefer the shuttle shift over the previous two.
 
   / Anyone ever regretted buying a HST? #79  
Why not use the back hoe? That's what I do for my small garden.

:laughing: My friend, you know as well as I do all the anti, to expensive, backhoe folks have never owned one!.

Tilling up a garden, planting trees, peeling up sod, digging boulders. pulling trim off the house etc, packing trees and boulders around etc the list goes on.


I have not touched a shovel since 2013:thumbsup:

My HST does not whine.

You can faintly hear it if you know what your listening for, not loud by any means.
 
   / Anyone ever regretted buying a HST? #80  
It seems like the #1 and #2 complaint for a HST is noise and power loss. Buy a couple more horses than required and test drive the tractor first. Some whine more than others.

That and a lot of first time users don't undersand let off the pedal for more power to let the engine spool up, more pedal does not mean more power!
 

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