Put offer on Case 75C. Why so few Case tractors sold

[LightningCamaroGuy]

I think you made a wise choice. I'm not saying that they are the powerhouse ag company they were 35+ years ago, but other than JD I would say they are still easily at the top of the food chain for large farm operations in North America. Around here there have been a few large farmers that were traditionally green and yellow paint farms that switched to red paint because of the price of green paint. They switched to Red not because the other brands make bad machines, but because they trust Case IH to be able to support their operations and of couse because they make more larger and powerful crop row tractors than most other brands in N/A, and probably also because of traditional thinking being you generally either use Green or Red tractors if you're a farmer. Of course a Farmall 75C isn't a large crop row machine but Case IH still has to uphold their reputation for offering great dealer support if they hope to remain relevant to farmers. I've never had problems getting parts for a Farmall M or Cub from my local Case IH dealer. I would say that Case IH caters more to the large tractor market where Kubota caters more to the small tractor market in their current setups.


When I think Case IH I think more International than I do Case. Even if that mindset is misplaced I always though of International tractor as being more relevant than Case tractor when I was growing up. Still I think when they first integrated some of their tractor models were based on existing Case models and some were based on existing International models, but I'm no expert on how that all went down. International made some great tractors nontheless back in the day. When I think New Holland I think of Ford with a worse name and a less attractive shade of blue. Ford/NH tractors from 20+ years back were easily my favorite sub-60/70 HP tractors, but I also grew up on them more than most other brands. When you think of Case IH vs NH now you should think of Chevrolet vs GMC. Lol

 

[Agvg]

If it matters, Case has a Fiat engine.

And so?
Fiat tractors had an excellent quality and still is very popular as they may had one of the most robust 4wd one the market.

 

[Sawyer Rob]

Fiat = Iveco and Iveco diesels are "generally" a heavier duty diesel than a Kubota diesel...

SR

 

[Wagtail]

And so?
Fiat tractors had an excellent quality and still is very popular as they may had one of the most robust 4wd one the market.

I believe that TripleR was making that point... at least that's the way that I read it.

Friends of mine in Pyengana run a cattle/sheep property with silage/hay to support. A 90hp McCormick (CASE), 70hp CASE and an 'ancient' little red tractor that's been rolled 2-3 times (at least!). There are faded FIAT parts posters adorning their maintenance shed as I think that they're the 5th & 6th generation working the property.

CASE is still around.

 

[Diggin It]

Is the Case inferior or are the folks brain washed by Kub ota?

I'm noticing an awful lot of orange-washing here with even the brand being highlighted in posts, the ONLY one I've noticed that happening with. I've also seen a couple of posters that will push it over all others no matter which thread or topic To be honest, it's kind of turning me against the brand to the pint that if I buy new, it may not be that brand unless I find a good deal on a clean used one. I don't like to give money to companies with too much hype.

It's mostly green around here for the low to mid range farms with a Case or two running around. The bigger guys in the county use some of the Case moon machines (tracks) while the bigger guys in other areas are dedicated to green.

I haven't seen any mention of smaller Case stuff (SCUTs) so I'm not even sure they offer one.

 

[screamin400]

I'm noticing an awful lot of orange-washing here with even the brand being highlighted in posts, the ONLY one I've noticed that happening with. I've also seen a couple of posters that will push it over all others no matter which thread or topic To be honest, it's kind of turning me against the brand to the pint that if I buy new, it may not be that brand unless I find a good deal on a clean used one. I don't like to give money to companies with too much hype.

It's mostly green around here for the low to mid range farms with a Case or two running around. The bigger guys in the county use some of the Case moon machines (tracks) while the bigger guys in other areas are dedicated to green.

I haven't seen any mention of smaller Case stuff (SCUTs) so I'm not even sure they offer one.

Lol. Funny you mention that. I asked my dealer if the Kubota comes with the cheerleader starter kit pom poms and all. I told him that it appears that the Kubota boys need to tell everyone why they spent that kind of money. I think they are a fine tractor. I do not think they are the end all.

 

[Turbys_1700]

And so?
Fiat tractors had an excellent quality and still is very popular as they may had one of the most robust 4wd one the market.

Agree...
Fiat Industrial makes good quality engines...
I've had two with zero issues in a WM 50 and current tier 3 t4.75...
They know their stuff...

 

[rngrrymd]

I'm noticing an awful lot of orange-washing here with even the brand being highlighted in posts, the ONLY one I've noticed that happening with. I've also seen a couple of posters that will push it over all others no matter which thread or topic To be honest, it's kind of turning me against the brand to the pint that if I buy new, it may not be that brand unless I find a good deal on a clean used one. I don't like to give money to companies with too much hype.

It's mostly green around here for the low to mid range farms with a Case or two running around. The bigger guys in the county use some of the Case moon machines (tracks) while the bigger guys in other areas are dedicated to green.

I haven't seen any mention of smaller Case stuff (SCUTs) so I'm not even sure they offer one.

Some of the orange washing is because of TBN members like Messick's and KTAC posting periodically on the board and interacting with the members (I think this is very internet savvy of them) and that leads to members recommending Kubota because they feel like someone has their back. I test drove a lot of tractors and really liked the Grand L60 cab models I looked at. I don't recommend you cross Kubota off your list just because a lot of members lean that way and promote the brand here. Kioti and LS are also big on this forum as well and Branson should be thankful for the posters here pushing them since they barely advertise. I will say there seems to be an anti-Deere bias on this board that I have noticed as well. I prefer to consider what the needs/tasks that a member is asking for help/advice with and if Deere is the best choice I will steer them that way; however, if Kioti or LS or Massey or Kubota, etc are better for the poster's situation then I will recommend those models. I think every individual gets a different feel and comfort level and there is no set brand to push all the time. Kinda like cars, look how many different brands are out there and they all get you from point a to point b. Well, except maybe a Tesla when you run out of charging stations lolol.

I was in Michigan in July and I drove for miles and miles past farms and saw green green green everywhere and some Case spattered here and there. If you look for dealers in a heavy Deere area you will probably find more dealers or a mega-dealer there. If you see more Case then you will probably see more dealers and/or a mega-dealer for Case in the area causing that dominance.

Case and New Holland are basically same tractor (Ford/Mercury or GMC/Chevrolet). CNH contracts LS M-tron (LS tractors) to make their subcompact and compact models. The New Holland brand is the only side that markets a subcompact (Workmaster 25S)

 

[rngrrymd]

I bought it. I will not get in for a couple of weeks or more as ordered a bunch of stuff to be done on it.

Heh. Welcome to the 75C club. We can compare notes down the line. When we both get our tractors.

 

[screamin400]

The tractor came in yesterday. It is a left over 2017. Does anyone know of the differences from 17-18? I noticed the radio which is not blue tooth. The rear wiper has a hideous switch on the wiper motor. Dealer will wire it to switch on pillar. No sun roof. This could be good or bad. To me everything else looked the same but what am I missing? Thanks

 

[Turbys_1700]

I would expect minor cosmetic changes from 2017-2018.

When you get some time of it under your belt let us know how it does. I would like to compare it to my 2012 T4.75. Specifically fuel consumption comparisons from Tier 3 to Tier 4. Now if you can just get a 10 foot bush hog, run it over 15 acres of rough cab high Johnson Grass in 4th gear, 2nd range, 2200 RPM's, and 5.8 MPH for 5 hours, we will have a good comparison. LOL (please excuse the run on sentence)

 

[Diggin It]

I believe in getting what I pay for and a machine left over from last year isn't it. I would expect either a current machine or a significant rebate/refund/credit of some kind. Maybe a bonus implement instead?

 

[TripleR]

I believe that TripleR was making that point... at least that's the way that I read it.

Friends of mine in Pyengana run a cattle/sheep property with silage/hay to support. A 90hp McCormick (CASE), 70hp CASE and an 'ancient' little red tractor that's been rolled 2-3 times (at least!). There are faded FIAT parts posters adorning their maintenance shed as I think that they're the 5th & 6th generation working the property.

CASE is still around.

Thank you; don't know why some get so bent out of shape. In today's world because a tractor use to be powered by one engine may well not be so today. The model we had was Perkins.

 

[majorwager]

Diggin it,
Believe the OP received value for his purchase, generous discount from list as well as attractive financing. Seems rather fair. They are performing some modifications at his request.

 

[screamin400]

41k included front remote, triples on the rear, fenders, full set of weights, tires filled. etc

 

[rngrrymd]

The tractor came in yesterday. It is a left over 2017. Does anyone know of the differences from 17-18? I noticed the radio which is not blue tooth. The rear wiper has a hideous switch on the wiper motor. Dealer will wire it to switch on pillar. No sun roof. This could be good or bad. To me everything else looked the same but what am I missing? Thanks

41k included front remote, triples on the rear, fenders, full set of weights, tires filled. etc

You did great getting the tractor @ 41k and the dealer is moving that wiper switch for you which is good. You are probably getting the older proprietary radio (almost squarish - about 4" high x 7" wide) and it is what it is. You can just use your smartphone to play music if you have your own and don't want to use the radio. The 2017 T4.75's I was originally looking at had that radio as well. I got a pretty loaded model with e-pto, buddy seat, lift-o-matic raise and lower for the pto, air seat, 2018 radio, the rear wiper is now standard on the b pillar, only 2 rear remotes, 3rd function for loader being installed by dealer, rear wheel weights and filled tires in rear only but I spent $47200 for all those extra options which is $6k more than you. I was priced $49k for a 2017 T4.75 with a few less options by the next closest priced dealer so you done good.

 

[rngrrymd]

I believe in getting what I pay for and a machine left over from last year isn't it. I would expect either a current machine or a significant rebate/refund/credit of some kind. Maybe a bonus implement instead?

The OP got a great price on the tractor. For the 2017 models I looked at I was offered 1.49% for 84 months financing as well for no additional charge since it was last year's model. On the 2018 model I ended up purchasing the charge to get that financing is normally $2900 but my dealer was able to get CNH Financial to cut that price in half. The only brand that offered low apr financing over 60 months without a financial penalty against the price of the tractor was Kubota but in order to get 0% for 84 months you have to give them a 20% down-payment so they have a lot of your money up front anyways. If you default on Kubota under those terms they come take the tractor back and keep your down-payment. CNH did not require any down-payment from me for the 1.49% financing.

 

[majorwager]

rngrr…

So it seems both you and OP did well with your purchases. Best of luck to both of you.

As an aside RK has announced their competition to your model although I've not seen a buddy seat in that tractor class other than yours. RK did not specify what features will be included other than a loader. RK quote below.

"We just launched the RK74 Power Shuttle with loader, $42,998 at eight RK Tractor Stores. Waverly, Heath, Circleville OH, Ashland, Maysville KY, Knoxville, Sweetwater, Maryville TN. Tractors there in stock." by the RK Guy.

 

[screamin400]

I got the buddy seat and the self leveling loader. Huge savings over an 18. 0% for 60. They treated me well.

 

[ovrszd]

The reason a New Holland is cheaper than a Case is the same reason a Chevy is cheaper than a GMC.
The Case tractor comes standard with higher GPM hydraulic pumps, 3 point lift assist cylinders, Heavier front axles, Work lights, Rear window wiper, Heavy Duty lift arms, And ISO Bus ready. The New Holland does not.

I get some of this, but don't understand the 3pt assist cylinders, heavier front axle and heavy duty lift arms when they are the same tractor?? Thanks for your explanation!!!!!