Compact Tractors are Designed All Wrong

[Agvg]

So ordinary wheeled excavators based on same design as on belt is not on the us marked?

 

[4570Man]

So ordinary wheeled excavators based on same design as on belt is not on the us marked?

They’re used sometimes in road construction. Tracked excavators outnumber them by a significant margin. Like I’ve probably seen 20 wheeled excavators in my life.

 

[ThirdMan]

http://www.dot.state.mn.us/maintena...util/2017/Trenchers Plus/Multione loaders.pdf
Prices and Options for Multione
The Multi-One Series 9 could take the place of the a large utility tractor or an M62, except for the BH,
High Power Articulated Mini Loader - 9 Series - Multione

It is smaller and lighter than an L47 BH, but has 10 more hp, is very nimble and stable, plus stronger loader wise.

57 hp good for roadside mowing. Aux. hydraulic oil flow 95 l/min (25 gal/min) is fine for a hydraulic mower.

Series 9 can load dump trucks and be driven on road like a BH

The BH attachment suck however and town should still have a wheeled excavator or BH. for tough work.

217 MULTIONE 9.5 For Sale In Bayswater, Victoria Australia | MachineryTrader.com

At 40 HP, the Series 8 is is just right size and width for sidewalks & Municipal stuff.

High Torque Articulated Mini Loader - 8 Series - Multione.

Its the machine size to have for sidewalk maintenance and small repair digging & loader jobs.

72 l/min (19 GPM) Aux hydraulics is ok, not great. Flows about the same as the small Bobcat.

With with the same size tires I have on the front of my tractor the Seines 8 is only 45.3" wide

Tires size Width (N) Height (Q) 23X8.50-12 1070 mm (42.2 in) 2020 mm (79.5 in) 23X10.50-12 1130 mm (44.5 in) 2020 mm (79.5 in) 26X12.00-12 1280 mm (50.4 in) 2040 mm (80.3 in) 27X8.50-15 1070 mm (42.1 in) 2080 mm (81.9 in) 27X10.50-15 1150 mm (45.3 in) 2080 mm (81.9 in)

MultiOne USA on Welcome Home - YouTube

The MultiOne looks real nice and appears to do everything I would need. They have sizes up to comparable small utility tractors. The 2.3 series looks to be closest to a SCUT in terms of weight and capability, but from what I can tell the prices would be quite a bit more. They say they have a distribution site in Springfield, MO, but no address or dealers listed in the US.

 

[MossRoad]

So ordinary wheeled excavators based on same design as on belt is not on the us marked?

They’re used sometimes in road construction. Tracked excavators outnumber them by a significant margin. Like I’ve probably seen 20 wheeled excavators in my life.

Yep. They are pretty rare around here as well. I've seen the one the city owns, and a couple more in my life, but not very common at all. I've seen more gradealls than wheeled excavators.

 

[MossRoad]

Like this.... and they are pretty rare, as well...

 

[Agvg]

Is there some restrictions on road use for such machines?

 

[SpringHollow]

Like Aaron said, all of the towns around here used wheeled excavators. Surprisingly, I see backhoes more used by the city maintenance departments vs the towns. But they are typically working in one spot on very small jobs (repairing a water line for example) and are trucked there.

Ken

 

[Agvg]

Here backhoes disappear ages ago, som digger loaders is still in some use on the rail road and more special work.

 

[aczlan]

Is there some restrictions on road use for such machines?

There are usually axle weight limits, but otherwise not really.

Aaron Z

 

[MossRoad]

The only backhoes I've seen recently are an old septic tank contractor (and I mean o-l-d... guy is older than the dirt he's moving, but well regarded in the poop industry), and the other is the company that contracts with several small cemeteries in the area, and they trailer that one in.

 

[airbiscuit]

What a Power Trac wants to be when it's all growed up :wink:

 

[MossRoad]

It won't fit in the back of my pickup truck....

 

[Xfaxman]

Wow, it even has a telescoping boom attachment! Systemschlepper Syn Trac aus Osterreich im top agrar-Fahrbericht - YouTube

 

[MossRoad]

It can be yours for just $385,000....
PHOTOS: Syn Trac tractor makes its world debut - Grainews

 

[MossRoad]

Wow, it even has a telescoping boom attachment!

Somehow I knew you'd see that.... :laughing:

:thumbsup:

 

[Xfaxman]

Yep, wasn't interested in it until I saw the telescoping boom.

 

[MossRoad]

It says you can add a 3rd axle without leaving the cab.

 

[MultiMow]

How did this discussion go from CUTs, to equipment that 10x the size of a full UT?

 

[Agvg]

Probably because its not much new development in the CUT marked? So it interesting to see what may trickle down from largere machines. Tractors has been very much the same basic idea for a very long time and its quite clear that there are more than the classic way to do it.

 

[MultiMow]

Probably because its not much new development in the CUT marked? So it interesting to see what may trickle down from largere machines. Tractors has been very much the same basic idea for a very long time and its quite clear that there are more than the classic way to do it.

I understand that... WHOLEHEARTEDLY.

I was just wondering what features/functions that you (or others) would like to see implemented from the larger machines. The telescopic boom/etc. Is already available from manufacturers like Avant, JCB, Deere, and Power Trac... and Antonio Carrero offers both articulated, 4ws, and reversible compacts.

I've been working on a design for a new CUT for years. I've sourced the most expensive portion of the parts and driveline. It's nice to hear what other people think. There's always that "OH YEAH!" part or function that I'd like to include.

The only thing I see from these larger machines, is their advanced hydraulics. It would nice to have a machine that offers standard cost effective hydraulics, but also an easy upgrade to a computer controlled system with joystick control and entry level automation. It seems every CUT I've looked at, requires those options to be selected at point of purchase, or pay through the nose for them later. A good example of what I'm talking about, is seen in commercial reel mowers. Toro used the same basic pump and motor configuration for years. When they decided to incorporate computerized controls, they simply bolted the new electronic mastercylinder to the pump. The old joystick control was operated via relief circuit, so the lines and control were replaced with the new electronic control an wiring harness. The majority of functions are logic based... meaning the sensors required for lift limit, speed control, etc., were incorporated into the mastercylinder. It used flow and pressure to attenuate functions (like most heavy equipment nowadays) instead of running wires and point-of-reference sensors everywhere... and this was in the 90s. That same approach to automation is what brought Toro to the forefront of mining equipment, literally out of nowhere... and arguably, the inspiration for its quick adaptation across the board.

I've already penned this into the plans for driveline control... but I'd like to know what you see from these huge machines in a CUT.