Branson warranty troubles

   / Branson warranty troubles #51  
CliffNeudorf,

Just wondering, did you buy your tractor new or used? If used, how old was it and did it have any factory warranty remaining? Just wondering if it had any history before you got it. Thanks.
 
   / Branson warranty troubles #53  
I know you are not wanting to muddy the topic with details of usage, but I do appreciate that you are willing to respond. It is integral to the discussion of "major fault" and warranty issues.

We sell on average just short of one Branson tractor per every working day, and the 3520H is the most popular model. I do not recall the last front axle issue. I am not saying the front axles are bomb proof, but they are good. I bet if we checked our shop records, we would find a warranty claim here and there over the years that relate to the front axle on some model of Branson, that is surely possible. But it is far from common.

It is essentially the same axle they use all the way up to the 5220R, which is 55HP. The 5220 is wider, but most parts are the same other than that. At the 35HP level, especially with an HST, you should not be breaking axles unless you are using the tractor outside of the design limitations of a compact tractor.

If you look at a construction grade loader tractor, like a JD210/310, Cat 426 etc., you will see they are designed to dig with the front bucket. The loader is made for it, and the front axle is made for it. A compact tractor is made to move and load material. Of course it needs to be able to dig into the pile a little and it should not be fragile, but it is not designed for digging actually. The issue is not so much weight on the front axle, it is the fact that the front end is designed to assist the rear axle, it is a MFWA tractor - mechanical front wheel assist. The cross sectional area of the rear axle shafts is almost 4 times larger than the front axles. When digging, the rear axle must do the pushing, or at least the lion's share of the pushing with the front axle assisting. Heavy rear ballast in the tires and a heavy box scraper or something hanging off the back will help the rear tires do the pushing. If you are digging and the back end is light and just barely contributing to the tractive effort, you are eventually going to bust a front axle shaft, and that applies to all brands of compact tractors. Our shop repairs all brands, and we have replaced axles shafts or front gears in about every brand over the years. Typically, although we try to say it nicely, it is abuse. Not intended abuse generally, more like a lack of knowledge abuse.

Might it be that you need a different type of tractor for your usage? Maybe a skid-steer? They can take a beating. Or maybe a full size TLB or skip loader? When digging heavy, if you ballast really heavy in the rear, you can probably cure your front axle issues, but then you find the next failure point. If you look at a typical Bobcat skid-steer, you will see that when the bucket is all the way down in the digging position, the loader arms rest against stops built into the main chassis frame. So when digging, the stresses are spread out and not all placed on the loader arms and not all on the pins. I have a Takeuchi TL130 track loader and it seems you just can't hurt it no matter how hard I dig, push, pull or lift. But the loader arms rest against the main frame when digging. If you really "heavy-up" the back of your Branson, then watch your loader arms, pins, mounts, etc. Put a wrench on them often, loose bolts are the start of all kinds of headaches if not kept in check.

We sincerely wish you well. It is nice that even though you must be very frustrated, that you are civil about the discussion.

Barring abuse, the axles are either defective or not sufficiently designed for the purpose. I'm not sure if I agree with this "....The issue is not so much weight on the front axle, it is the fact that the front end is designed to assist the rear axle, it is a MFWA tractor - mechanical front wheel assist. ..." The front end is either designed correctly or not. The rubber on the tire or the dirt below should be the material that is expendable. What happens if the rear wheels are on ice and the front wheels are on pavement? Should one expect to damage the front end if the operator uses the front axle for traction?
 
   / Branson warranty troubles #54  
Barring abuse, the axles are either defective or not sufficiently designed for the purpose. I'm not sure if I agree with this "....The issue is not so much weight on the front axle, it is the fact that the front end is designed to assist the rear axle, it is a MFWA tractor - mechanical front wheel assist. ..." The front end is either designed correctly or not. The rubber on the tire or the dirt below should be the material that is expendable. What happens if the rear wheels are on ice and the front wheels are on pavement? Should one expect to damage the front end if the operator uses the front axle for traction?

I've written pretty exhaustively on this. If used as a normal loader, I agree that you should get tire spin before axle breakage. But you can force the tractor in some situations to have tremendous traction for the front tires, at the same time having almost no traction to the rear tires (as they are in the air or nearly so). If you then proceed to push and the tires can't spin and the item you are pushing does not move and the clutch does not slip and the motor does not stall....then what? Snap. It is under difficult circumstances that these operator induced breakages occur. Not on ice. MFWA is to be used for traction, but not as the sole motivating force when the front axle is under extreme load. Using it in ice or in mud or in loose soil or whatever is perfectly fine. That is what it is made for.
 
   / Branson warranty troubles #55  
This is an older thread, and I'm curious as to the conclusion, if there is any.

Does anyone know how this reached an end ?

Just curious.
 
   / Branson warranty troubles #56  
From reading between the lines a little (the OP was very "cagey" in their details), the guy was using his front end loader to dig with, overloaded his front axle, and snapped an axle shaft 3 times in a row. Sounds like Branson DID cover the repairs under warranty, but told them "enough" on the third time. He also may not have had any, or enough counter balance weight on his 3 pt hitch. Operating this way, digging, overloading FEL, while also NOT having a counter balance, will severely over stress the front axle on ANY scut or cut tractor.

If you look a the pic later in the thread from another user that did the same thing, he has NO weight on his 3pt hitch while digging into a dirt pile. That is suicide.

These are not bulldozers, nor are they TLB's. Nobody's brand scut or cut will survive that kind of abuse for long.

The fact that Branson covered the guy's axle snapping the FIRST time, says a lot. Let alone covering it 3 TIMES IN A ROW.
 
   / Branson warranty troubles #57  
I was nt digging with my when it broke I was scooping dirt from a pile . The second time the other side of the tractor I was carrying logs when it broke off.
 
   / Branson warranty troubles #58  
From reading between the lines a little (the OP was very "cagey" in their details), the guy was using his front end loader to dig with, overloaded his front axle, and snapped an axle shaft 3 times in a row. Sounds like Branson DID cover the repairs under warranty, but told them "enough" on the third time. He also may not have had any, or enough counter balance weight on his 3 pt hitch. Operating this way, digging, overloading FEL, while also NOT having a counter balance, will severely over stress the front axle on ANY scut or cut tractor.

If you look a the pic later in the thread from another user that did the same thing, he has NO weight on his 3pt hitch while digging into a dirt pile. That is suicide.

These are not bulldozers, nor are they TLB's. Nobody's brand scut or cut will survive that kind of abuse for long.

The fact that Branson covered the guy's axle snapping the FIRST time, says a lot. Let alone covering it 3 TIMES IN A ROW.

Thanks, Slow....I read every post on the thread and was wondering what the conclusion was. Like reading a book and the final pages were missing.
 
   / Branson warranty troubles #59  
I was nt digging with my when it broke I was scooping dirt from a pile . The second time the other side of the tractor I was carrying logs when it broke off.

And as I said, you had no counter balance on your tractor.
 

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