How many people have to change their clocks tonight?

[Diggin It]

^^ Older copper may not have had the expansion capabilities that new glass would allow for.

 

[ruffdog]

There are many ideas contributing to the DST discussion. Some of those is energy savings, accidents traveling to/from work, farmers wanting light, people wanting evening light, work shifts, etc.

The further you are from the equator the more day/night times change and the reasons for DST make more sense. If all the clocks were automatic setting, wouldn't it make sense to have a gradual time change throughout the year? No one would even notice it is happening.

History & info - Daylight Saving Time idea from Benjamin Franklin

 

[Diggin It]

If all the clocks were automatic setting, wouldn't it make sense to have a gradual time change throughout the year? No one would even notice it is happening.

Remember a few years back when some Braniacs decided we needed to change the dates of WHEN we changed time? I do. I still have clocks that 'self-set' on the old calendar because programming can't be changed. No way I was going to buy new 'self-setting' clocks knowing said Braniacs could just change the dates again.

 

[k0ua]

^^ Older copper may not have had the expansion capabilities that new glass would allow for.

No, that wasn't it, actually the opposite, they ran the fiber down to a T1 and shoved the T1 into the PBX. Totally insane and they spent a ton of Government money. They said something about needing to spend the money or they wouldn't get any next year. And they wanted to keep my outsider mouth shut about what they had done.

 

[MossRoad]

That reminds me of a PBX networking project that a local airport spent over something like quarter of a million on putting in special fiber and equipment to interface it to the PBX's to network their PBX's across the runways, when they already had in place an ethernet network they could have easily used to connect them. I said something like why didn't you just use what you had? They said they had a government grant they needed to use.. Then they told me to shut up. I did.

Nice! :laughing:

 

[MossRoad]

^^ Older copper may not have had the expansion capabilities that new glass would allow for.

BAaaaa! :laughing:

We were running gigabit over existing copper ever since it became available at my last employer.

People don't like to be exposed when they do something irresponsible with money. That's the bottom line. It makes them look bad.

 

[MossRoad]

No, that wasn't it, actually the opposite, they ran the fiber down to a T1 and shoved the T1 into the PBX. Totally insane and they spent a ton of Government money. They said something about needing to spend the money or they wouldn't get any next year. And they wanted to keep my outsider mouth shut about what they had done.

I've been told to spend money needlessly many times over the years because we were still under budget.

 

[Diggin It]

They said something about needing to spend the money or they wouldn't get any next year.

Gubmint budgets are set up that way. Next year's budget is based on your 'needs' from the past year. I put a program in place that saved over $100K each year for our office. Did they send any of that back to DC to offset spending? Nope. They transferred every penny to other budget codes and spent it in those so they'd get more next year. I didn't last long in Gubmint. I was too honest.

 

[MossRoad]

There are many ideas contributing to the DST discussion. Some of those is energy savings, accidents traveling to/from work, farmers wanting light, people wanting evening light, work shifts, etc.

The further you are from the equator the more day/night times change and the reasons for DST make more sense. If all the clocks were automatic setting, wouldn't it make sense to have a gradual time change throughout the year? No one would even notice it is happening.

History & info - Daylight Saving Time idea from Benjamin Franklin

GADS!!! You'd have to get the entire world to agree to it. No way that's ever gonna happen.

It was bad here several years back. I live near South Bend, IN, on the western edge of the eastern time zone. I'm about 7 miles from the CST to the west, 5 miles from Michigan to the north, and 90 miles to Ohio to the east, which are both in the EST and observed DST year round.

We didn't observe DST. We never changed our clocks. Sounds great, right? Nope.

For decades, we were on the same time as Michigan and Ohio in the winter, but an hour ahead of CST. In summer, we were on the same time as CST, but an hour behind Michigan and Ohio.

Many people live and work in different time zones. Many had two clocks in their house to keep things strait.

To make matters worse, when cell phones started becoming popular, if you drove NEAR another time zone, not in it, mind you, just NEAR, and happened to ping a cell tower from the other zone, your phone would change time zones if you didn't lock that feature down. There are a ridiculous amount of subdivisions on the Indiana side of the Michigan/Indiana border. Due to zoning, Michigan doesn't have hardly any along that line. But Indiana has tens of thousands of houses along that line. I know many people who's phone would change time just walking through their house.

It was awful.

Indiana started observing the same time as Ohio and Michigan year round a few years back. That's made it somewhat better. But there's still 6 counties in northwest Indiana and 6 counties in southwest Indiana that observe CST.

The whole state and Michigan, too, belong in the CST, not the EST.

 

[Diggin It]

Indiana started observing the same time as Ohio and Michigan year round a few years back. That's made it somewhat better. But there's still 6 counties in northwest Indiana and 6 counties in southwest Indiana that observe CST.

The whole state and Michigan, too, belong in the CST, not the EST.

If the dividing line was along or near 84° North Longitude, it would miss most major metro areas and come fairly near the existing separation between Eastern and Central. The line between Central and Mountain would be somewhere near 100° North Longitude and Mountain to Pacific would break around 115° or so.