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...........Can someone explain to me how just a change in axle ratio can affect how much weight you can put in the bed of a pick up?
How does changing from a standard transmission to an automatic affects the amount of weight you can put in the bed of a pick up?......

Towing capacity definition has been standardized, so tow vehicle must meet minimum acceleration, braking and cooling metrics. More weight means worse braking, slower acceleration and hotter mechanicals.


SAE J287 Tow Tests - The Standard
 
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Lower gears (higher number) takes strain off the drive train, especially when driving away from a stop. Yes its true it doesn't really affect anything else like the springs, brakes, axles etc., but from the point of view of the engineers, it does often up the amount a truck can tow.
 
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My old Dakota V6 was rated to tow 4000 lbs. The V8 version would have been otherwise identical but was rated to tow 5000 lb. It seems the only difference would have been acceleration. Of course, I never really worried pulling my 7K trailer almost fully loaded. :thumbsup:
 
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Towing capacity definition has been standardized, so tow vehicle must meet minimum acceleration, braking and cooling metrics. More weight means worse braking, slower acceleration and hotter mechanicals.

SAE J287 Tow Tests - The Standard

i was going to ask has this actually become the standard. I remember the talk about standardizing it because every company used their own rating system so there were no apples to apples comparisons
 
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I sort of think I deserve a spot in this list. A 2,800 lb trailer and a 10,000+ LB machine hanging from my half ton 2017 Ram Rebel 5.7L Hemi with the Max-Tow group and 3.92 gears. It is legal to 9,640 lbs with the load bars on it, and they are. Power and braking is fine, but I worry about the trailer pushing the rear end in turns with the 5,400 lb truck. I took it REAL slow and easy.

I only moved it about 10 miles, but I knew it was there for sure! Shocking, the trailer brakes were actually strong enough to lock up the tires with the machine on it with the controller set at level 10. I never thought that they would be able to lock it up.

Does your Ram have the air ride suspension?
 
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I'm no expert, but I can speculate on the Internet with the best of them...

Beyond following laws and satisfying insurance, the rest comes down to physics and economics. Manufacturers set tow ratings and payload ratings based on longevity and capability testing or how their parts have been spec'd. A certain engine, driveline, and chassis can manage to achieve a certain longevity and performance capability with a load when it fits into their specs. Can you haul or pull more than the rating? Sure, but your vehicle might wear out faster or fail faster. Manufacturers want to avoid warranty claims and preserve quality reputation so they ensure that how they rate vehicles will generally meet those goals.

Changing axle ratios changes the amount of torque required to propel the vehicle. Torque relates to stress on parts and wear. Vehicle plus a payload has a mass that takes a particular force to move it and stop it and that force comes from engine power transferred through the transmission and converted to force on the ground with torque through the axle and tires. Torque and stress on components changes when you do things like change an axle ratio. A particular engine and transmission can handle moving a load for the vehicle expected life with one ratio but if you change the ratio it might cause failures earlier. When it comes to automatic vs. manual transmissions then you have to consider things like power losses due to the fluid dynamics in an auto trans, weight of the transmissions, cooling factors placed on the vehicle's cooling system, etc. Every change in a component changes the total vehicle performance in some way and the manufacturer has taken that into account in their formulas. As I said above, all of this is independent of the legalities and liabilities that restrict things. But manufacturers make those assessments and then decide on the ratings. I suspect they are not above changing the ratings to best their competitors even if no actual component changes happen, up until their warranty claim costs rise or quality reputation falls enough to make it not worthwhile as compared to sales.

One thing that is fairly consistent is that manufacturers and laws always play it safe. Exceeding any prescribed limits by a small amount will probably never cause an immediate disaster. The further you get from the prescribed limits the more likelihood for problems. So pulling 11,500# with a truck rated for 10,200 once in a while on good roads is, in my opinion, OK to do. Pulling 20,000# probably not so much.

Rob

So... No.
The weight ratings don't have anything to do with safety or if the vehicle can haul the weight but rather performance. How fast it can be done.
 
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So... No.
The weight ratings don't have anything to do with safety or if the vehicle can haul the weight but rather performance. How fast it can be done.

If that's what you came away with then I guess I wasn't clear. To sum up my words into a short phrase I'd say more like "How reliably it can be done according to expectations."

Rob
 
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So... No.
The weight ratings don't have anything to do with safety or if the vehicle can haul the weight but rather performance. How fast it can be done.

Directly the spec's define the vehicle can accelerate, climb hills and stop at a defined rates.

Indirectly those rates are defined so the vehicle can travel safely in traffic when other vehicles are around.
 

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