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   / Well.......................this isn't good #31  
This is one of the reasons I coined the phrase "if you have to ask should I buy a CUT with a geared transmission or a hydrostat" you NEED a hydrostat. And here is why. The very fact you asked means you know nothing about tractors. And being a newbie you will be more inclined to not knowing how to take care of a geared tractors clutch and will likely put more wear and tear on it. Resulting in higher repair bills than you would have had if you had went with a hydro. Besides hydro is better suited for the type of tasks that a homeowner does anyway. Just like geared tractors are better suited for plowing fields and other constant speed tasks due to their greater efficiency. That's my story and I am sticking to it, even if I have received some flak for saying it.

Ahh yes James, but you said it eloquently and without damning the rest of us to eternal hellfire. :laughing: Like a car, Tractors have autos and standards, both have their place. For example, 6 hours of bumper to bumper traffic in a 500 hp car. Stick is nice, but auto is better. Road Racing up and down a mountain with many curves. Auto will do it, but stick is better. I'm not a farmer, but I do some farming. Though 90% of what I do is clean up, carry, scoop, drag, etc.. HST is a God send.
 
   / Well.......................this isn't good #32  
This is one of the reasons I coined the phrase "if you have to ask should I buy a CUT with a geared transmission or a hydrostat" you NEED a hydrostat. And here is why. The very fact you asked means you know nothing about tractors. And being a newbie you will be more inclined to not knowing how to take care of a geared tractors clutch and will likely put more wear and tear on it. Resulting in higher repair bills than you would have had if you had went with a hydro. Besides hydro is better suited for the type of tasks that a homeowner does anyway. Just like geared tractors are better suited for plowing fields and other constant speed tasks due to their greater efficiency. That's my story and I am sticking to it, even if I have received some flak for saying it.

No flack... you've pretty much described me to a "T".

(Well you did miss how incredibly handsome, charming, my razor-sharp wit and how humble I am)
((Forgiving, too))
:eek:
 
   / Well.......................this isn't good #33  
No one has figures like that, or at least they would want to release to the public, but judging by the number of cuts on a dealers lot and looking how they are equipped, I would say 3 to 1 Hydro over gear. With in increasing trend to hydro. Try selling your gear CUT on craigs list. Now full sized farm tractors, is a total different story with all of the variation of geared tractors in the vast majority.

So HST outsells manual 3-1 but you hear AT LEAST as many clutch replacement stories here as hydro troubles.
 
   / Well.......................this isn't good #34  
So HST outsells manual 3-1 but you hear AT LEAST as many clutch replacement stories here as hydro troubles.
Kioti didn't offer HST on their tractors when I bought my DK in 2001.
2003 or 2004 before Kioti even offered HST on some of its models.
 
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I am happy with my choice of transmissions. I dont cut grass or bushwack. All of my driving is short distances with a lot of back and forth. Just hope the solenoid issue is a one time deal and the shop does the exchange and buttons up all the loose ends before they deliver it back to me. This means no leaks, no quirks, etc.
 
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Kioti didn't offer HST on their tractors when I bought my DK in 2001.
2003 or 2004 before Kioti even offered HST on some of its models.

True, but go look on your dealers lot in the under 50 horsepower CUT/SCUT segment today. How many 1/2 ton pickups of any brand can now be bought with anything but an automatic transmission? It is to the point now that an older vehicle with a standard transmission is considered to have an anti-theft device to younger thieves. Many under the age of 40 cannot drive them.
 
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How many 1/2 ton pickups of any brand can now be bought with anything but an automatic transmission? It is to the point now that an older vehicle with a standard transmission is considered to have an anti-theft device to younger thieves. Many under the age of 40 cannot drive them.
No idea, I never look much at new vehicles.
I'm still driving a 1991 F-250 with a 5 speed manual.
My work truck is a 10 speed Eaton/Fuller.
 
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No idea, I never look much at new vehicles.
I'm still driving a 1991 F-250 with a 5 speed manual.
My work truck is a 10 speed Eaton/Fuller.

The answer is zero in 1/2 tons. You can still get manual in some of the "midsize" like a Colorado, and of course large trucks.
 
   / Well.......................this isn't good #39  
A new transmission on a tractor with eight hours - a very uncommon situation. As such, it really doesn't reflect on the reliability of HST vs geared.

My dealer - third generation of the family that started the dealership in the 1920's - discussed transmissions with me. In CUTs sold to homeowners, they are over 90% HST. Every tractor under 45 hp he had in stock (three locations) was HST. As we discussed my intended use in steep mountainous wooded terrain, he said I was in the 10% that would be better served with gears if I drive properly, HST if I drive like most homeowners. Either transmission would require repair, sooner or later, and that would require splitting the tractor. Typically, the geared would be a clutch and the HST would be a pump rebuild/replace. Labor would be slightly less on the geared, parts would typically be considerably less. Frequency would depend on my ability to avoid riding the clutch and using the proper gear selection. He also mentioned how simplicity factors into reliability - there is virtually nothing electrically-operated inside the geared transmission. Since he had to locate me the particular geared model I bought, while he had several comparable HST versions on hand, I believe he truly believed what he was telling me.

As far as failure rates reported on the forums, that's statistically hogwash. Most HSTs are newer than most gear drives. For example: You'll find lots more clutch changes on Ford 8Ns than HST repairs on the same model. Thirty years from now, there will be a lot more HST failures than geared failures on 2018 models - since there are so many more HSTs sold now.

All that said, I'm not anti-HST at all. I have a friend who recently purchased horse property. His slopes are gentle, he'll do maintenance on a ring, and he (and his wife) will be doing a lot of loader work. If he buys new, he should get a HST.
 
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Shop delivered the tractor to my house this afternoon. Seems to be fixed. My schedule will not permit me to do anything with it for the next week so jury is still out on the repair. But so far very good customer service.
 

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