Marijuana on the job

[Diggin It]

Where is it you live that the police collect taxes?

Many places. They usually call them citations though. Quite often done to infuse cash into the coffers.

 

[Industrial Toys]

That can't be a serious question. The police should midigate criminal activity, not hand out seat belt tickets. Or fine some working stiff because his wheelbourough handle is protruding a little beyond the side of his p/u! Problem is, there isn't any money in going after criminals. It only costs money.

 

[MossRoad]

Where is it you live that the police collect taxes?

Here in Indiana we have sheriff sales of reality every so often. Not really collecting taxes, but conducting sales to satisfy unpaid property taxes.

 

[m1garand762]

Our company took the stance that its Illegal federally therefore against our drug free workplace program. As a government contractor they test regularly and if you test positive card or not there are serious consequences

 

[Tractor Seabee]

Here in our recreational MJ legal state there are many good jobs going begging because applicants cannot pass entrance drug testing. National companies have a policy that applies to all there locations due to the myriad different state and local laws. Lowes and Home Depot are ones I know of. Opiates are fast outpacing MJ in this area. I am surprised that liberal organizations like ALCU have not put effort and money into a better MJ test to separate the casual user from a today zoned out user.

Due to non-treatable chronic pain problems I take a low level opiate every day (Tramadol). The level I use is not considered a threat to impairment. When my current prescription runs out my doctor is prescribing a once a day timed release version to try and maintain a level rather than the ups and downs currently. I was advised to carry a copy of my prescription to assist in a traffic stop situation. Due to the increased policing of opiate impairment there is still a risk of harassment till I get resolution that I am not driving impaired. Biggest problem is that if asked "do you use a potential impairment substance" and you deny and a subsequent blood test reveals the residue then you are in double trouble. If you pass the test related to your prescription you can still be charged with lying to a law officer.

It is the old catch 22 situation, damned if you do and damned if you don't.

Ron

 

[daugen]

Driving that train, high on cocaine. Not...

Or...watch a bunch of Youtube truck videos of semis leaping over the center line and absolutely wiping out cars in other lanes, because the driver fell asleep. Or had a heart attack. Or yes, more likely blew a tire. So I'm very, very glad there are strict rules for drivers on the road. I can't drive a big enough car/truck to win against a semi...

What I'm not sure about is how genuine medical marijuana users pose a risk on the road, or on the job, if they are using a 100% CBD product, as in no THC. It's the THC that's clearly the problem, but the user will likely fail a marijuana test even if using CBD. If it's not intoxicating or in any way affecting your job performance or safety, I think that should be addressed. I have horrible arthritis and degenerative disc disease, neck is fused, back is shot, a walking tin man. So for me MM is a very good thing, but hard to find the right product. Since I'm retired, don't have the worry of tests anymore, but I do worry about those situations mentioned where I'm the victim and still lose because of some post accident test.
I use 100% CBD salve on my hands and it works wonders btw.

The challenge comes when the most effective severe arthritis med is often a blend of CBD and THC, from what I've read, a 75/25, or 80/20 or even 90/10 mix where the small number, the impairment drug, is THC. So what works best for you medically can clearly get one in legal trouble. Just like taking Tramadol.

Many years ago I lost a six figure salaried investment advisor job because my wife, who was dying of cancer, and in severe pain, asked me to smoke some pot with her which she had never done, to see if that would help. My job test was over 30 days later and I failed the drug test. I guess I'm retentive...
But it sure shows there are examples where zero tolerance is not sensible. Btw, the trust dept of that bank changed their HR rules about five years later and under the new rules, I would have been hired. So times change, the rules change and we have to use our brains.

It's all about Safety. Always has been.

 

[atsah]

At my last job, we had people that would go out to their cars on break, get smoked up, then come back in and really put a damper on production. They'd be standing at their station, the machine is throwing alarms that their station is empty of product, and they're standing there stacking their product, but not putting it into the machine. Just a blank stare. And if they remember to load their product, many times they'd load it backwards and jam the machine. Everyone else on the line gets pretty impatient with that crap when we have to stay late on what should have been an easy run.

So, no, if I had a production worker smoking pot on the job, or coming to work high, if it were within my power, I'd fire them. Same goes for being drunk. Do it at home. Do it at the bar and take a cab, uber or designated driver. Don't do it at work.

Had a similar situation back in the 80's at a electronic manufacture I worked for. They fired a few stoners and wala, no more screwed up production line..

 

[ultrarunner]

Here in our recreational MJ legal state there are many good jobs going begging because applicants cannot pass entrance drug testing. National companies have a policy that applies to all there locations due to the myriad different state and local laws. Lowes and Home Depot are ones I know of. Opiates are fast outpacing MJ in this area. I am surprised that liberal organizations like ALCU have not put effort and money into a better MJ test to separate the casual user from a today zoned out user.

Due to non-treatable chronic pain problems I take a low level opiate every day (Tramadol). The level I use is not considered a threat to impairment. When my current prescription runs out my doctor is prescribing a once a day timed release version to try and maintain a level rather than the ups and downs currently. I was advised to carry a copy of my prescription to assist in a traffic stop situation. Due to the increased policing of opiate impairment there is still a risk of harassment till I get resolution that I am not driving impaired. Biggest problem is that if asked "do you use a potential impairment substance" and you deny and a subsequent blood test reveals the residue then you are in double trouble. If you pass the test related to your prescription you can still be charged with lying to a law officer.

It is the old catch 22 situation, damned if you do and damned if you don't.

Ron

Tramadol has helped several I know while mending...

There is a pain management Doc I have come to know and he sees terminally ill patients and some have very high dose Norco... their tolerance builds but it lets them have some peace.

Lately it has become a huge problem... both for the Doc and Patients as pharmacists refuse to fill prescriptions for these terminally ill...

I think more are going the expensive route of pain pumps... a surgical procedure because there is less stigma attached to high dose prescription administered via pump...

 

[ultrarunner]

Driving that train, high on cocaine. Not...

Or...watch a bunch of Youtube truck videos of semis leaping over the center line and absolutely wiping out cars in other lanes, because the driver fell asleep. Or had a heart attack. Or yes, more likely blew a tire. So I'm very, very glad there are strict rules for drivers on the road. I can't drive a big enough car/truck to win against a semi...

What I'm not sure about is how genuine medical marijuana users pose a risk on the road, or on the job, if they are using a 100% CBD product, as in no THC. It's the THC that's clearly the problem, but the user will likely fail a marijuana test even if using CBD. If it's not intoxicating or in any way affecting your job performance or safety, I think that should be addressed. I have horrible arthritis and degenerative disc disease, neck is fused, back is shot, a walking tin man. So for me MM is a very good thing, but hard to find the right product. Since I'm retired, don't have the worry of tests anymore, but I do worry about those situations mentioned where I'm the victim and still lose because of some post accident test.
I use 100% CBD salve on my hands and it works wonders btw.

The challenge comes when the most effective severe arthritis med is often a blend of CBD and THC, from what I've read, a 75/25, or 80/20 or even 90/10 mix where the small number, the impairment drug, is THC. So what works best for you medically can clearly get one in legal trouble. Just like taking Tramadol.

Many years ago I lost a six figure salaried investment advisor job because my wife, who was dying of cancer, and in severe pain, asked me to smoke some pot with her which she had never done, to see if that would help. My job test was over 30 days later and I failed the drug test. I guess I'm retentive...
But it sure shows there are examples where zero tolerance is not sensible. Btw, the trust dept of that bank changed their HR rules about five years later and under the new rules, I would have been hired. So times change, the rules change and we have to use our brains.

It's all about Safety. Always has been.

These creams are becoming mainstream... at least I am seeing them on store shelves and users say they are effective with no THC.

 

[Diggin It]

Sooner or later some of these intolerant companies will begin to be slapped into the 21st century under ADA complaints.


I don't, I haven't and I likely never will. I rarely take anything at all other than a Lortab or two just after a dental extraction. They prescribe enough for 3-5 days, I take less than two days usually and I end up with leftovers that probably go bad. I don't even like OTC pills unless I have a really bad headache or strain something while working in the yard.

But for people that have a legitimate medical need and are under a doctor's care, ADA should prevail over company rules.