Ford's Profit on an Expedition

dnw64 · Mar 31, 2019

Garandman said:
Whenever I see a Ford vs Chevy pickup argument, I always wonder "How did 12yo boys afford a pickup?" :laughing:

Is there a "Post of the Year" award? If so, I nominate the afore-quoted.

Notice that Ram is so far above that they never even enter the equation (and I'm a much more mature 13, so there!).

Jstpssng · Mar 31, 2019

dnw64 said:
Name one company of which the same cannot be said.

You're absolutely right, they don't make them like they used to... thank God. In 1975 my father bought a new Power Wagon. In 1976 with 12,000 miles on it he rebuilt the front end... on his own dime because the warranty had run out. That same year he bought a "high mileage" 1973 Torino with 80,000 miles on it. Everybody commented on what good shape that 3 year old car was in, as it wasn't rusted all to cat crap.

dnw64 · Mar 31, 2019

RyeThomas said:
I do not understand, even if I was wealthy I could not bring myself to buy a new vehicle these days when you factor in the hit you take in depreciation.

Similar (OK, pretty much identical) to Stocks, Depreciation makes no difference whatsoever until you sell. So, if your intention is to sell, when/how you buy and when you plan to sell is key. If otherwise, longevity/operating/maintenance costs take on a more important role.

dalola · Apr 1, 2019

atsah said:
Okay, out of the hospital, blood clots, infections, I'd like to forget this past week that's for sure..

Back to unfinished thoughts..

So my cousin and I are very close and have had a bunch of new trucks, he was in the market for a new one a few months ago, he ALWAYS buys Toyota, so we head off to the yota dealer to drive a new Tundra, coming out a an 5.7 Tundra I figured I would never get him to the Ford dealer. The new Tundra was a very nice truck but the fuel consumption is the turn off. So we head to the Ford dealer.

We look at two trucks, a 2.7 and a 3.5, they let us take them out for a ride, (I'm a Ford guy and have been for 30 years) and I know from riding in his Tundra I think he is going to like the interior of the Ford and he does.

So first I tell him lets take the 3.5 for a ride and we do, he liked it, I wasn't impressed with the way the transmission acted being use to a Torqueshift it seems to act weird and not as smooth as I like, my cousin felt the same because the Tundra is very smooth. We then drive the 2.7, after driving the 3.5 the 2.7 had noticeably less power on the torque end of the rpm range which makes sense.

While we drove the 2.7 the service department unloaded a new transmission strategy on the 3.5 and let us drive it again, it was better but still not what I'm use to driving in Ford trucks. My cousin decided he was happy with 3.5 and bought it. He hasn't been completely satisfied with it really, he likes it but it has a few problems (front end noise while turning, hubs staying locked etc and they can't seem to fix it), things he is not use to dealing with because his yota's gave him 0 problems and he is the type of guy you don't want driving your truck, he is hard on them.

Hand calculated MPG is 23, if I drove the truck I would probably get 28, he just drives them hard.

I'm glad you're happy with the 2.7, the above is just my opinion, don't get to excited due to someone else's opinion concerning a product you may own, having the option to buy what YOU like is what's important.

This is really no different than the orange and green debates, same ole same ole..

Sorry you had a bad week, here's to a better one! :drink:

Thanks for the details. Many unanswered questions regarding those two trucks, but I tend to over-research everything, so that's a common response from me! Lot's of things I could go into, but I'll spare everyone the monotony.

Hope your cousin gets his issues worked out, and can enjoy his new truck as much as I do mine!

Sawyer Rob · Apr 1, 2019

dnw64 said:
Name one company of which the same cannot be said.

Well, I didn't mean it as a good thing and although I didn't say it, if was in reference to Fords reliability...

I bought my first NEW pu in 1972, and have been buying them new, on and off ever since...

Although I own all three brands of trucks right now, I'd say Rams and Chevrolets today (2018) (2019 Chevys are all new) are better than ever before trucks, Ford not so much...

SR

Jstpssng · Apr 1, 2019

Sawyer Rob said:
Well, I didn't mean it as a good thing and although I didn't say it, if was in reference to Fords reliability...

I bought my first NEW pu in 1972, and have been buying them new, on and off ever since...

Although I own all three brands of trucks right now, I'd say Rams and Chevrolets today (2018) (2019 Chevys are all new) are better than ever before trucks, Ford not so much...

SR

That's good to know. Somebody recently pointed out to me that a Ram doesn't say "Dodge" anywhere on the truck. My company 2015 Silverado has 120K and while it needs brakes (2nd set) and front end work right now, the only other thing I've had done was replace a broken transmission line. Front end work is SOP, especially given the conditions of the roads this time of year.

dnw64 · Apr 1, 2019

Jstpssng said:
Somebody recently pointed out to me that a Ram doesn't say "Dodge" anywhere on the truck.

That's because it isn't a Dodge any more. The last Dodge Ram was 2009, since 2010 Ram has been its own Brand as opposed to a Model.

Most people today, when they see my truck, call it a Dodge. That tells me that either (a) it was a mistaken concept or (b) poorly implemented.

Back to the comment that created this rabbit trail...

Sawyer Rob said:
Although I own all three brands of trucks right now, I'd say Rams and Chevrolets today (2018) (2019 Chevys are all new) are better than ever before trucks, Ford not so much...

While I love my Ram, and hated the Chevy I had immediately before, the quote above COULD mean that Fords are still the best.

"Before"
Chevy - 5
Dodge/Ram - 4
Ford - 9

"After"
Chevy - 6
Ram - 7
Ford - 8