Marijuana on the job

   / Marijuana on the job #121  
promptly relaxed to the point

I'm going to take this out of context in a way for a point, bear with me...
It's a controlled portion of that relax function that is so helpful for folks with back spasms,
severe arthritis, other medical conditions that are often treated with synthetic muscle relaxants.
Like the ones I take morning and night and have for years. I have degenerative bone disease and let's say
it's not getting any better. I just don't whine and keep playing with tractors. But without some form of medicine, I couldn't
ever do what I do. My quality of life is hugely improved by prescription meds. But I worry what these big pharma pills are doing to me,
and if other more natural plant based solutions are safer for me.

Thankfully I'm retired and don't have to worry about
drug testing at work, as many of you do. Just about anyone hired today by a medium or large business gets drug tested due
to insurance requirements in some cases. And I used to be an insurance underwriter many years ago...
So I'm pretty good at identifying risk, and trying not to be one myself.
The problem is whether Happy Harry understands he's buzzed more than he thinks he is.
I do not want Happy Harry sitting near the control levers at the nuke plant. Which I've been in, btw, on the job.
Nor do I want to meet Happy Harry with the big buzz on out on the highway.
I wonder what driving in California is like?

No matter what, you are self medicating and the problem with marijuana is it's very hard to establish
precise dosages, because the product changes in intensity apparently like hot peppers can be hot and then tear your head off hot.

You just don't know the dosage you are getting. And that's scary if one overindulges. Particularly if one gets behind the wheel
to drive home and thinks oh I'm fine. Often repeated last words.
Should be no difference with pot or alcohol as for need for designated driver.

But then you are back to the 250 pound guy who knows exactly what two beers does to his system
and what the resulting BAC is. You just don't know what two puffs will do for you and do to you.
I went to college in the late 60's and witnessed some remarkable stuff for a small town country boy.
Never had cocaine, never had acid, never had anything in a pill, I knew it could kill me and I still do.
Much less be unsafe to anyone else.
I think I have a lot more brain cells left because I never tried.
Others said the partying had no effects.
Maybe they got lucky.

Until they can rate pot with an accurate "proof", so a reputable drug company could package a known THC or CBD dose consistently and repeatedly, I think taking any pill with THC or even CBD in it is chancy. Too much risk for me. Your 10mg standard dose may give me paranoid delusions. Uh, no. Particularly when exactly like heroin you get the equivalent of a hot dose, and overwhelming hallucinations that will give you nightmares for a long time. Uh, no. This is not what you want your fork lift driver on after lunch time.

now that I've put you all to sleep...;)
 
   / Marijuana on the job #122  
...Until they can rate pot with an accurate "proof", so a reputable drug company could package a known THC or CBD dose consistently...
If you visit a medical mj outlet you will find that they do have an accurate way of measuring the potency of the product(s)...

Most states that regulate medical mj require expired product to be destroyed...in most states the shelf life is 6 months...after that all unsold product has to be destroyed (legally anyway)...
 
   / Marijuana on the job #123  
If you visit a medical mj outlet you will find that they do have an accurate way of measuring the potency of the product(s)...

Most states that regulate medical mj require expired product to be destroyed...in most states the shelf life is 6 months...after that all unsold product has to be destroyed (legally anyway)...

Thanks.
I'm sure there is a way of doing this by chemical analysis, but who tests these guys to see if their labeling is accurate?
Is there any review or Federal/State QC of this process? Frankly I don't trust self regulation by this industry, there will always be cheaters and dishonest people looking for fast money.
How does one know we aren't getting the equivalent of Chinese drywall?
Problem is Fed is still in denial.
Hard to get something done properly when one hand is saying go and the other hand is saying no go....

I have no medical MJ outlets near me, best I can find is CBD salve at local package shipping place.
Friend of mine brought me a pill back from California marked 15mg CBD, 5mg THC. A combo I believe that is considered
appropriate for conditions like mine. But it's in a pill and I have zero confidence that the labeling is correct.
When that pill has a USP certification on it, I might consider it.
 
   / Marijuana on the job #124  
Thanks.
I'm sure there is a way of doing this by chemical analysis, but who tests these guys to see if their labeling is accurate?
Is there any review or Federal/State QC of this process? Frankly I don't trust self regulation by this industry, there will always be cheaters and dishonest people looking for fast money.
How does one know we aren't getting the equivalent of Chinese drywall?
Problem is Fed is still in denial.
Hard to get something done properly when one hand is saying go and the other hand is saying no go....

I have no medical MJ outlets near me, best I can find is CBD salve at local package shipping place.
Friend of mine brought me a pill back from California marked 15mg CBD, 5mg THC. A combo I believe that is considered
appropriate for conditions like mine. But it's in a pill and I have zero confidence that the labeling is correct.
When that pill has a USP certification on it, I might consider it.
In Ohio mj products are tested by state certified lab for content
 
   / Marijuana on the job #125  
Thanks.
I'm sure there is a way of doing this by chemical analysis, but who tests these guys to see if their labeling is accurate?
Is there any review or Federal/State QC of this process? Frankly I don't trust self regulation by this industry, there will always be cheaters and dishonest people looking for fast money.
How does one know we aren't getting the equivalent of Chinese drywall?
Problem is Fed is still in denial.
Hard to get something done properly when one hand is saying go and the other hand is saying no go....

I have no medical MJ outlets near me, best I can find is CBD salve at local package shipping place.
Friend of mine brought me a pill back from California marked 15mg CBD, 5mg THC. A combo I believe that is considered
appropriate for conditions like mine. But it's in a pill and I have zero confidence that the labeling is correct.
When that pill has a USP certification on it, I might consider it.

The VA is now prescribing medical MJ or at least at my local clinic, and the medical MJ store is in the same building. Up until a few months ago the VA was sending patients to local doctors to get medical MJ prescriptions and the VA was paying for the doctors visits.
 
   / Marijuana on the job #126  
Problem is Fed is still in denial.

You're right...the Feds are in denial.
Legalization or "decriminalization" of pot should have taken place at the federal level rather the letting the states do what they wanted. This was a failure on Obama's part and, unfortunately, continued during the Trump administration.
President Trump has already stated he'd sign a legalization bill, but to the best of my knowledge, none has been put forth.
So, people are at risk by thinking pot is legal...it's not.
Now, I smoked pot from the 1970's through 1990's and I do think it should be legal...once there is a reliable test for impairment
 
   / Marijuana on the job #127  

You just don't know the dosage you are getting. And that's scary if one overindulges. Particularly if one gets behind the wheel
to drive home and thinks oh I'm fine. Often repeated last words.
Should be no difference with pot or alcohol as for need for designated driver.

But then you are back to the 250 pound guy who knows exactly what two beers does to his system
and what the resulting BAC is.
You just don't know what two puffs will do for you and do to you.


Until they can rate pot with an accurate "proof", so a reputable drug company could package a known THC or CBD dose consistently and repeatedly, I think taking any pill with THC or even CBD in it is chancy. Too much risk for me. Your 10mg standard dose may give me paranoid delusions. Uh, no. Particularly when exactly like heroin you get the equivalent of a hot dose, and overwhelming hallucinations that will give you nightmares for a long time. Uh, no. This is not what you want your fork lift driver on after lunch time.

now that I've put you all to sleep...;)


Which 2 beers? Some 3% or 4% p*ss-water Molsen, Coors or Bud Light, or a 6% or 8% or 12%(!) craft brew? That's a huge difference.

Saying "exactly like heroin" when talking about MJ? Really? You have that confused with Big Pharm.
 
   / Marijuana on the job #128  
promptly relaxed to the point

No matter what, you are self medicating and the problem with marijuana is it's very hard to establish
precise dosages, because the product changes in intensity apparently like hot peppers can be hot and then tear your head off hot.

You just don't know the dosage you are getting. And that's scary if one overindulges. Particularly if one gets behind the wheel
to drive home and thinks oh I'm fine. Often repeated last words.
Should be no difference with pot or alcohol as for need for designated driver.

But then you are back to the 250 pound guy who knows exactly what two beers does to his system
and what the resulting BAC is. You just don't know what two puffs will do for you and do to you.
I went to college in the late 60's and witnessed some remarkable stuff for a small town country boy.
Never had cocaine, never had acid, never had anything in a pill, I knew it could kill me and I still do.
Much less be unsafe to anyone else.
I think I have a lot more brain cells left because I never tried.
Others said the partying had no effects.
Maybe they got lucky.

now that I've put you all to sleep...;)

I agree with your statements.
In the 70s I was a large guy who would suck a few beers on the way home and start to feel impaired after three quick Buds. I am a fairly large guy and I thought could handle regular beer just fine.

Then at work, 2nd shift in a factory putting track and bogey wheels on snowmobiles, I decided to take a drive during my 9PM lunch break and smoke a joint my coousin gave me. Not a big deal. I smoked it and could feel my face flush within a couple minutes, much more than 3 beers in 20 minutes time.

I walked back into work and grabbed a seat in the lunchroom and a concerned friend asked what was wrong because my eyes were devilish red and bloodshot. I told him it mush be the pollen in the air. I got out of there real quick.

After break I got back on the line and it started moving. What I found was I had no focus to the point where if I would focus on putting bolts together I would just fumble around. I did find if I would just focus on something far away I could just do my job just from muscle memory from doing the same movements for months, so that is what I did for 2 hours. That was the last joint I ever smoked.

The moral of the story is, you never know how a joint will affect you, and who needs people in a position of responsibility such as a surgeon, pilot, car mechanic, drivers etc. to be able to harm others because of poor judgement. I don't drink, but know from experience what 1 beer will do, what 3 beers will do etc. but a good/bad joint can catch you off guard.

No to legalizing it.
 
   / Marijuana on the job #129  
You went to work impaired? .....and because of that Big Government should control what all of us do on our own time?

I don't follow this logic.

"...who needs people in a position of responsibility such as a surgeon, pilot, car mechanic, drivers etc. to be able to harm others because of poor judgement...."

The poor judgment would be from them deciding to use it on the job, just like alcohol or prescriptions. I don't see a difference.
 
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   / Marijuana on the job #130  
Makes it seem like some people think the average Joe has no common sense or self restraint at all. And those others that will grab a can of rattle paint or stick a nail in a lysol can to get high, well, laws won't make any difference.
 

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