Closest Deere to a Yanmar 2610?

[clemsonfor]

That's the kind of stuff that just makes you want to throw your hands up and quit!

You would have to have an excavator and dozer to move all that stuff unless you just start over on top of it. But then the boulders. You can't just walk out of your house and around the place you have to watch your feet.

 

[CoyPatton]

Have not called Fredricks directly myself.

Fredrick’s also has a web page. Double check if they have that model listed without a fel.
That said, I would want an fel on a tractor. If I owned more than one, perhaps not on all. But I only have 1, and love the fel on it!

 

[California]

... we are 5 years into rebuilding our place after the 2013 flood. ...
Here's some pictures ...
rScotty

Thanks for posting what you are having to deal with.

That's the stuff of nightmares. Good luck in all your efforts.

 

[Jtullis13]

The Nebraska flooding sound horrible. It made the news all over the country. Were you flooded, or isolated, or ?

Thanks California. I am located in Arlington Nebraska. We were stranded for 5 days, I really shouldn't complain, we had some water damage and only have one road to get anywhere right now, but many people lost their whole house, I mean their house is actually gone, floated down the river. So I fortunate compared to others around me, just a real inconvenience for me right now.

 

[rScotty]

Thanks for posting what you are having to deal with.

That's the stuff of nightmares. Good luck in all your efforts.

That's true, it was a nightmare for a while but we were lucky. There's a lot to learn about floods, but but to my surprise nobody in the flood industry seemed interested in what we found out. There was a small bit of interest about the houses that were swept away, but absolutely no interest by any gov't agencies or insurance like FEMA in the houses that survived while those around them were lost.

Anyway, I'll write it here & maybe somebody will benefit. There is a lot about floods that we simply didn't know until being in one. For instance, the two very different types of flooding you get in a valley like ours. There is an initial flood within a few hundred yards each side of the main stream flow which is a fast moving front of high water carrying big debris like rocks, houses, and whole trees which erodes the whole valley and carries things like topsoil and more houses away. Eventually that flood may pile up enough debris downstream to form an dam-like obstruction and then water will stop flowing and begin to move out from there to swamp low areas as well as back up upstram with what is called a water up/water down portion of the flood. The water up/water down flood is the type you usually see on the evening news i.e. half-submerged houses looking forlorn, but not much current flow.

There just isn't much that survives to photograph in the area of a debris flow flood - and it happens so fast it doesn't make the news as often.

These are very different types of flooding. Our flood had both the high water and fast moving debris and then later the water backed up from downstream and we got the waterup/waterdown type of flooding. You can see results of both in the pictures. BTW, one thing I'll always remember is the noise of the debris flow flood. It is deafening, and goes on for hours. A grinding pounding sound tso loud that it is hard to think. We had made it out and were stranded a couple hundreds of yards away up on a hilltop. Got rescued by a helicopter a couple of days later.

We were lucky, in that we heard the roar of the debris flow coming and we simply dropped everything and out-sprinted it... barely. Water was rising fast and trees were floating past us the last 50 yards. A neighbor who did not move fast enough died then. I miss you, Joey....
Our house is one of the few that survived the debris flow. Most of the rest were swept away. I'd like to say this was the result of forethought and careful construction, but it was actually just pure dumb luck combined with a tendency to overbuild things for no particular reason. Outside the house, and barn all the soil right down to bedrock - was swept away and replaced with debris.

Thinking back on it, there are two main reasons this house survived. The most important is dumb luck again - our barn just happend to be situated to shield the upstream side of the house from the worst of the boulders during the debris flow portion of the flood, and because the house itself is attached to a heavy overbuilt deep foundation that resisted erosion from the water flowing along the side. The deep foundation turned out to be critical; locally none of the houses built on slab foundations survived the debris flow portion of the flood.

Then after the debris flow slacked off and the flood switched over to the waterup/waterdown phase, it turns out that the doors and windows of the house were kind of protected by the debris piled up against them. So not much water got into the house itself even though it was pretty deep - window deep but not to the tops of the doors - around the house.

The reason the barn itself survived to shield the house is that it also has an over-designed heavy deep foundation right down to bedrock, and what turned out to be the upsteam wall of the barn has no windows or doors and was made of very heavy double wall construction because that's the direction that most winter weather comes from. Nobody was thinking about floods at the time the barn was built; we were thinking winter weather. Again, just dumb luck.

That's why I say, "Good luck beats good planning"
rScotty

 

[California]

That's true, it was a nightmare for a while but we were lucky. There's a lot to learn about floods, but but to my surprise nobody in the flood industry seemed interested in what we found out. There was a small bit of interest about the houses that were swept away, but absolutely no interest by any gov't agencies or insurance
...
we heard the roar of the debris flow coming and we simply dropped everything and out-sprinted it... barely. Water was rising fast and trees were floating past us the last 50 yards. A neighbor who did not move fast enough died then. I miss you, Joey....
rScotty

Just Wow. I had no idea a Rockies 'gullywasher' could be of magnitude to cause that devastation. Your account is a clear warning to anyone who wants to go live in the forest. I'm glad to read you survived that.

I woke up this morning thinking about your experience and also Japan's Tsunami Stones, monuments some over 1100 years old. Each is a warning from the ancients, documenting historic tsunamis' high water marks and showing instructions to run for high ground when a big earthquake is felt. With no history like that here - as you said, "Good luck beats good planning".

 

[rScotty]

Just Wow. I had no idea a Rockies 'gullywasher' could be of magnitude to cause that devastation. Your account is a clear warning to anyone who wants to go live in the forest. I'm glad to read you survived that.

I woke up this morning thinking about your experience and also Japan's Tsunami Stones, monuments some over 1100 years old. Each is a warning from the ancients, documenting historic tsunamis' high water marks and showing instructions to run for high ground when a big earthquake is felt. With no history like that here - as you said, "Good luck beats goeod planning".

Here's an updated photo: Digging our welding torches out of the debris - and the same area 5 years later.
rScotty

 

[winston1]

rScotty, do you feel at ease still living there knowing what can happen?

 

[rScotty]

rScotty, do you feel at ease still living there knowing what can happen?

Winston, good question. It seems to me like the whole country is seeing more & more weird weather....Or maybe I'm just sensitive to it. Although if true, it could also mean that the changes are just beginning.

Frankly, I don't feel as good about it as we used to. On the plus side, we personally understand floods now. The problem is really not the danger factor - debris flows happen fast, but the potential for one builds very slowly for maybe a wee .... Easy to avoid now that we know. So flooding itself is not the sort of thing that keeps us up at night with worry, but knowing the work that follows a flood does.

The problem of floods is more one of what happens after. Maybe that's true of any disaster. That's because repairing flood damage is the sort of thing that keeps you working on it for way too many years. We did it this time, but after doing it we have made a firm decision that if another flood happens we are going to just leave everything & walk away from the whole mess and start over again somewhere else. Life is too short.

This was supposedly a "500 to 1000 year flood" - so we don't expect to see another. Of course if that's true, then it is also true that by the same reckoning (FEMA) we have had three 100 year floods in the last 40 years....plus this one.

It is obvious that either FEMA's geoscience is shaky - or more probably that it is influenced by politics/insurance industry.
BTW, most people don't know much about flood insurance - we sure didn't. We do know more about it now.
Imagine standing in the midst of a disaster listening to a flood insurance rep read to you from the fine print in your policy. Yes, that happened to us right in what used to be our kitchen.

OK, enough with the bad. Here's the good stuff:

When designing this house (our retirement house) we made sure it was a couple of feet higher than was required for this area - and paid careful attention to wall strength and foundation.
You can sort of see how much the floor is rasied in the two photos a few posts above. That elevation helped a lot. If doing it again I would build both higher & stronger yet because it is easy - and suprisingly simply/inexpensive - to design to withstand most floods. I simply didn't do enough homework.

Since the flood changed our land so radically, I hired two excavators to move the creek back to it's historical channel which is about 100 feet farther from the house - clear on the other side of of the property. Today the basic creek channel is farther away, twice the depth, thrice the width, and rock lined as well. It can carry maybe ten times the flow before flooding Got some little waterfalls and fishing pools, too.

All in all, the property is contoured better than before. What we need now is a 100 year flood to test out how effective our changes have been. ... If we don't get that, we will settle for a few decades of building back the soil and trees.
rScotty

Hmmmm..... I wonder if we can or should move this thread somewhere else? But maybe not, we've all gotten to know one another through Yanmars for a long, long time now. Change the thread name? Any advice out there?

 

[clemsonfor]

Winston, good question. It seems to me like the whole country is seeing more & more weird weather....Or maybe I'm just sensitive to it. Although if true, it could also mean that the changes are just beginning.

Frankly, I don't feel as good about it as we used to. On the plus side, we personally understand floods now. The problem is really not the danger factor - debris flows happen fast, but the potential for one builds very slowly for maybe a wee .... Easy to avoid now that we know. So flooding itself is not the sort of thing that keeps us up at night with worry, but knowing the work that follows a flood does.

The problem of floods is more one of what happens after. Maybe that's true of any disaster. That's because repairing flood damage is the sort of thing that keeps you working on it for way too many years. We did it this time, but after doing it we have made a firm decision that if another flood happens we are going to just leave everything & walk away from the whole mess and start over again somewhere else. Life is too short.

This was supposedly a "500 to 1000 year flood" - so we don't expect to see another. Of course if that's true, then it is also true that by the same reckoning (FEMA) we have had three 100 year floods in the last 40 years....plus this one.

It is obvious that either FEMA's geoscience is shaky - or more probably that it is influenced by politics/insurance industry.
BTW, most people don't know much about flood insurance - we sure didn't. We do know more about it now.
Imagine standing in the midst of a disaster listening to a flood insurance rep read to you from the fine print in your policy. Yes, that happened to us right in what used to be our kitchen.

OK, enough with the bad. Here's the good stuff:

When designing this house (our retirement house) we made sure it was a couple of feet higher than was required for this area - and paid careful attention to wall strength and foundation.
You can sort of see how much the floor is rasied in the two photos a few posts above. That elevation helped a lot. If doing it again I would build both higher & stronger yet because it is easy - and suprisingly simply/inexpensive - to design to withstand most floods. I simply didn't do enough homework.

Since the flood changed our land so radically, I hired two excavators to move the creek back to it's historical channel which is about 100 feet farther from the house - clear on the other side of of the property. Today the basic creek channel is farther away, twice the depth, thrice the width, and rock lined as well. It can carry maybe ten times the flow before flooding Got some little waterfalls and fishing pools, too.

All in all, the property is contoured better than before. What we need now is a 100 year flood to test out how effective our changes have been. ... If we don't get that, we will settle for a few decades of building back the soil and trees.
rScotty

Hmmmm..... I wonder if we can or should move this thread somewhere else? But maybe not, we've all gotten to know one another through Yanmars for a long, long time now. Change the thread name? Any advice out there?

We don't have a member mod in this forum so your having to beg another to do it. Which there enough guys that are in sure one would do it