15 and 20 series factory backhoe install

[ning]

I'll echo that the backhoe on/off isn't trivial, but it's not a huge deal.

The concept of on/off in the field, though, doesn't make much sense - you'd have to have the 3pt implement that you're swapping out in the field as well; I suppose it makes sense if you're swapping between BH and implement many times, but it would take a couple of trips just to get set up in the first place, unless you've got forks on the front and you carry the 3pt implement out with you. Still, I question what kind of work would require swapping a 3pt implement with a BH?

Also: permanent subframe mounts may reduce clearance under the tractor; one advantage of the Branson's subframe is that when it's off, it's off. That said, there are definitely advantages - especially storage size - to the integrated subframe.

 

[NY Dave]

My top link stays on with the BH. It is just tied up out of the way on my 4720h.

 

[Diggin It]

Also the remark that other makers have figured a system that doesn't require the three point arms to be removed would have to be a three point attachment type BH, you can do that on a Branson but it's a poorer setup than a frame mounted type. If you know of a tractor with a frame mount BH that can be installed WITHOUT removing the three point system please let me know which one, as I know of none.

As best I can tell, from dealer convos and online research, including watching videos and asking questions here on TBN, the LS X30xx and X31xx series tractors do not require removal of the rear 3pt hardware to install the backhoe. There are additional fixtures in the frame and subframe that don't require the lift arm attachment points. The 3pt lift is set in the max-up position and remains out of the way. Not sure about other makes, but I can't believe LS was the first to come up with this.

If ease of backhoe install/removal is a high priority you might look for machines that have the newer style four point mounts. With those the BH does not have a long subframe extending forwards. Instead the subframe is permanently mounted on the tractor. The BH attaches to it at four points behind the axle.

Mine does. I back in, hook up a couple of hoses and pins and I'm done. Removal is easier. Lift arms and top link stay on. Getting lined up properly takes longer than the real connections do. One of the big reasons I went with this over some other models including the LS XJ2025 was the issue with the BH Subframe. I didn't want to have to remove the BH Subframe to use the MMM.

 

[ericm979]

My top link stays on with the BH. It is just tied up out of the way on my 4720h.

My dealer said to use the top link with the BH. I got a regular threaded rod type to use with the BH instead of the hydraulic top link I use with implements.

 

[Rogue1]

Only 1 wrench required...until the stop or the bolt head fails. Then, very difficult to loosen/tighten. Just one of several design/manufacturing defects that Branson/Ansung has refused to admit or remedy

 

[Aquamoose]

Only 1 wrench required...until the stop or the bolt head fails. Then, very difficult to loosen/tighten. Just one of several design/manufacturing defects that Branson/Ansung has refused to admit or remedy

Can you clarify?

 

[Rogue1]

Can you clarify?

24mm on nut, 27mm on bolt head, if factory stop is not in way of wrench

 

[Diggin It]

Only 1 wrench required...until the stop or the bolt head fails. Then, very difficult to loosen/tighten. Just one of several design/manufacturing defects that Branson/Ansung has refused to admit or remedy

Can you clarify?

24mm on nut, 27mm on bolt head, if factory stop is not in way of wrench

Whatever you're talking about doesn't appear to be related to this thread about attaching backhoes to SCUTs. So, maybe you could use a few more words and explain whatever it is you ARE talking about?

 

[Aquamoose]

24mm on nut, 27mm on bolt head, if factory stop is not in way of wrench

If you’re talking about the nut & bolt for the 3-point hitch arms that also serves as the attachment point for the back hoe, I know what you mean. One of them requires me holding the bolt but that’s a very minor inconvenience.

 

[Rogue1]

If youæ±*e talking about the nut & bolt for the 3-point hitch arms that also serves as the attachment point for the back hoe, I know what you mean. One of them requires me holding the bolt but thatç—´ a very minor inconvenience.

You got it. I am talking about a sub frame mounted Ansung BH86A bh mounting on a Branson 4720H. You have to pull all the pins and the 2 bolts on the 3 point. Then, the bolts are reinstalled to attach the bh, plus an additional set of forward pins. Could be better designed. But, thatç—´ the least of my probs with Branson and Ansung. Going back to Orange tractors.