Quite a shocker let me tell you

   / Quite a shocker let me tell you #101  
It also helps to understand that when they give service intervals in hours of use it is expected that it will not take half a decade to accumulate a couple weeks worth of run time.

True that!

I'm still trying to figure out how he got enough moisture in his tank to cause a problem IN ARIZONA.

I think more likely since he wasn't using an additive and wasn't going through fuel quick enough that it was algae growth, not moisture that ruined his pump and injectors.

In recognition of the OP's perpensity to post the same thing over and over....
I'm still trying to figure out how he got enough moisture in his tank to cause a problem IN ARIZONA.
I'm still trying to figure out how he got enough moisture in his tank to cause a problem IN ARIZONA.
I'm still trying to figure out how he got enough moisture in his tank to cause a problem IN ARIZONA.
I'm still trying to figure out how he got enough moisture in his tank to cause a problem IN ARIZONA.
 
   / Quite a shocker let me tell you #102  
I mentioned algae a few days ago. Spores can get through filters and bloom in pumps and lines causing exactly the type of catastrophic failures that are under discussion. Certainly not a design flaw or manufacturing defect.
 
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#103  
I mentioned algae a few days ago. Spores can get through filters and bloom in pumps and lines causing exactly the type of catastrophic failures that are under discussion. Certainly not a design flaw or manufacturing defect.

Well then we agree to disagree.

Folks I have told you everything I have done so that you know not to do some things that I did. Its going to cost me lots of money to fix all this. Fine. I don't have a road that is county maintained (.6 mile) and it is a dirt road and with our monsoons here in Arizona the road needs fixing. And so does my little ranch. So I am fixing my tractor. Being retired I am floored by the cost, sorry but I am floored. The 2K+ to R&R the fuel injectors and the fuel injection pump is significantly more than I paid to have a new engine R&R'd in my Chevrolet Truck years back. So if that is bad, I am bad. I did everything I said. I am totally responsible for my actions. I tried I guess unsuccessfully to provide info that would help you avoid the problems I had. So folks I quit.
 
   / Quite a shocker let me tell you #104  
ONCE AGAIN.... Have you looked into actually getting the part numbers for the pumps and injectors so that you can cross-reference them with the actual manufacturer of the pump and injectors?

Have you found a diesel shop that can work on repairing or rebuilding the pump and injectors?

I don't understand why you keep choosing to ignore the posts that tell you to do this.


Even for someone who is not a seasoned mechanic, pulling out the injection pump and injectors is not a difficult process, you should be able to do this yourself for free labor and spend a fraction of the cost getting them repaired versus buying new ones.
Well then we agree to disagree.

Folks I have told you everything I have done so that you know not to do some things that I did. Its going to cost me lots of money to fix all this. Fine. I don't have a road that is county maintained (.6 mile) and it is a dirt road and with our monsoons here in Arizona the road needs fixing. And so does my little ranch. So I am fixing my tractor. Being retired I am floored by the cost, sorry but I am floored. The 2K+ to R&R the fuel injectors and the fuel injection pump is significantly more than I paid to have a new engine R&R'd in my Chevrolet Truck years back. So if that is bad, I am bad. I did everything I said. I am totally responsible for my actions. I tried I guess unsuccessfully to provide info that would help you avoid the problems I had. So folks I quit.
 
   / Quite a shocker let me tell you #105  
You are right. No question. I have found injectors and ordered them at a very reasonable price that even makes sense to me. We hassled, negotiated and we are getting the Pump rebuilt for around 850.00 and that is somewhere in the ballpark at least. I got a quote from an out of state for $550.00 but no one knows them and they said it could go a little higher depending. But you are right and now I know and now anybody who wants to read knows and hopefully they won't make all these mistakes. It amazes me how some others take my comments (usually parts of them rather than the whole thought) that were simply meant to inform and twist them and accuse and throw blame around. I surely hope that it makes them feel almighty and great, for they aren't. Your comments were a pleasant surprise and I thank you for them and the effort and thought that went into writing them. That took some time and some real thinking. Thanks, thanks very much.

Now I have owned this tractor since very late 2012 or early 2013 and it has less than 60 hours on it. I owned and operated a Kioti 40 Horse Diesel for over 12 years. I used the Kioti to clear this property, desert land that was never, ever farmed or used or cleared. I used the Kioti to drill well over 1,000 post holes and the power of that little tractor sometimes took over two hours to drill one post hole through the Kalaichi - a super hard, super dense clay like collection in the soil. That was using carbide bits on the post hole driller also. I can easily account for 250 hours just doing that and the Kioti had less than 160 hours on it total. I thought the hour meter was goofy. Then I have used my Mahindra for almost a week straight at times and the hour meter reads what I said, under 60 hours. So there is some kind of criteria used to account for hours on a tractor because my two at least act the same in that regard. I generally use about 5 gallons of diesel a month and sometimes part of that is used in my Kubota.

We are over an hours drive from the Phoenix area and for someone to come out here they usually charge us $150.00 before they even get here. Our land is on an area where the road is not maintained by the county - I also feel that was a serious mistake and very stupid but again, I don't know what went into that decision so I might be totally out to lunch in a handbasket. So I either get it on and do it myself, working on the property or fixing the road or you know the alternatives. Yes I have went to the county and they passed laws to keep subdivisions like us from getting them in. Interesting? A whole, whole different story. So I need my tractor.

Now I know that I have to change the fuel filter at least once a year if not twice but the dealer told me that it was all in the maintenance and that would be at 250 hours. And I was 190 hours away from that. Stupid me thought I was good. I now know that if Mahindra has a fuel / water extraction system there is no warning of reaching capacity and it must bypass the process, again if there is one. Mahindra is ignoring me btw. I in general only buy Shell diesel which from my humble research is the best in this area. I also run Sea Foam in the diesel to control the water and it is rated to keep the diesel good for 2 years. No every last little tiny detail was not in my write up but good gracious can people accuse you when they didn't bother to try and read and understand what you are saying. This still amazes me, to say the least. And once again thanks for your response. I will follow what you recommend if there is ever a next time because that makes perfect sense. But I ran and ran my Kioti 40 horse diesel and believe me it wasn't babied like I baby my Mahindra and when I bought this **** tractor I tried to ask all the questions about what and how and when and nobody will help you. After all I owned a diesel for over 12 years already then. If they think they did, well my experience should explain that they were even in the same state, let alone the same ballpark. No I am not blaming them, I DID EVERYTHING I SAID. It was all my fault but now with some peoples kind help I am learning how to prevent this from happening again to us. And yes I did the 50 hour maintenance at the dealer. All fluids were replaced with synthetics from XADO.US. For example, the diesel synthetic oil at $25 / quart is rated to last 100,000 kilometers or about 62,000 miles. Believe me that service was expensive. But reading the comments I got in Facebook and here you know I was the dumbest most ignorant owner that God could let live in the earth. Well God bless every one of them. So lastly, I again appreciate your thoughtful reading and comments and I agree with you 100%.

Here is a better post with a much better detailed explanation of everything on yet another thread. Since he is being ignoring the posts that suggest getting the stuff repaired.
 
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#106  
Here is a better post with a much better detailed explanation of everything on yet another thread. Since he is being ignoring the posts that suggest getting the stuff repaired.

First I thought you all go my posts. What I did was combine my response to several posts together. But if you didn't get those then I goofed that. I am sorry.

As I said in several other posts, I am getting it fixed. The Fuel injector pump is being rebuilt. I have ordered new fuel injectors because rebuilding them is more expensive than I am buying new. Also, the delivery time of two weeks is about the same both ways.

As I understand it from two different people, the injection system is Bosch. However, Mahindra designed / built the tractor with those components and should adequately address their usage. I do not believe that they have. Now you may disagree with me. That is your decision. I accept that. But when what they have put together a solution (tractor) that will cause $5745.10 of new parts to be needed when all they needed was provide an open drain (Its water) or warning light or stop the tractor temporarily, or several other possible solutions, my humble opinion is that it is a deficient design and implementation.

BTW, Mahindra has finally sent me an email and I responded to them.

Thanks to all and your sire for your kind thoughts.
 
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#107  
I mentioned algae a few days ago. Spores can get through filters and bloom in pumps and lines causing exactly the type of catastrophic failures that are under discussion. Certainly not a design flaw or manufacturing defect.

Thanks for that info. I use Sea Foam in the diesel that will keep it fresh for almost 2 years. It also cleans the entire fuel system. I have used it for over 20 years and I still think it is the best at what it does. Thanks again.
 
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#108  
ONCE AGAIN.... Have you looked into actually getting the part numbers for the pumps and injectors so that you can cross-reference them with the actual manufacturer of the pump and injectors?

Have you found a diesel shop that can work on repairing or rebuilding the pump and injectors?

I don't understand why you keep choosing to ignore the posts that tell you to do this.


Even for someone who is not a seasoned mechanic, pulling out the injection pump and injectors is not a difficult process, you should be able to do this yourself for free labor and spend a fraction of the cost getting them repaired versus buying new ones.

I have the part numbers and I have researched them and two people have called me so that I know the parts are Bosch. One gentleman told me that Bosch bought the patent from Fiat. He wasn't a huge fan. I have ordered the replacement fuel injectors because I have found them new for less than the rebuild cost. I haggled the rebuild of the fuel injection pump down to $850 and that is being done. Again thanks for all your time. My big mistake in the forum was multiple posts, I am sorry for that.
 
   / Quite a shocker let me tell you #109  
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Thanks for that info. I use Sea Foam in the diesel that will keep it fresh for almost 2 years. It also cleans the entire fuel system. I have used it for over 20 years and I still think it is the best at what it does. Thanks again.

Sea foam is great for what it does, but it is a solvent, not a biocide. If you have an algae problem, and some of us believe you do, you need to treat with a biocide to eliminate the algae. There are many good fuel treatments out there but most are NOT biocides, and many biocides are not fuel conditioners. Fuel algae is a specific problem requiring special treatment.
 
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Sea foam is great for what it does, but it is a solvent, not a biocide. If you have an algae problem, and some of us believe you do, you need to treat with a biocide to eliminate the algae. There are many good fuel treatments out there but most are NOT biocides, and many biocides are not fuel conditioners. Fuel algae is a specific problem requiring special treatment.

Okay again thanks. But please what are a few of the biocides you recommend?
 

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