Pumping a lot of water from basement sump what to do with it? Irrigation?

   / Pumping a lot of water from basement sump what to do with it? Irrigation? #111  
about that pond....

my parents have a pond on their property and someone ran a drain off to the back, enough slope where they are, so no problem. this spring fed pond stay at the same level all the time? could that pipe or a pipe coming onto your property be from that pond? the water would have to go somewhere. the pond, if spring fed, should be filling up your area until it drains to a sea somewhere.

That's exactly what I'm thinking. If the ground is higher than sea level then the land can be drained....period. That's why ditches drain into creeks, creeks to rivers, and then to the sea. It doesn't mean it will be easy, and it could take a ong ditch to get to good drainage, but since the ditch will necessarily take the low path it would benefit most everyone along the way.

The ancients did it; so can we. And until it gets done there's always pumps that can be bought and companies willing to sell energy.
rScotty
 
   / Pumping a lot of water from basement sump what to do with it? Irrigation? #112  
That's exactly what I'm thinking. If the ground is higher than sea level then the land can be drained....period. That's why ditches drain into creeks, creeks to rivers, and then to the sea. It doesn't mean it will be easy, and it could take a ong ditch to get to good drainage, but since the ditch will necessarily take the low path it would benefit most everyone along the way.

The ancients did it; so can we. And until it gets done there's always pumps that can be bought and companies willing to sell energy.
rScotty

There's a huge movement to remove the drainage channels that were dug 100 years ago and put the rivers back to their natural courses. The constant flooding of farmland along these ditches is directly caused by the removal and drainage of natural wetlands.

Read this...

https://www.fieldmuseum.org/sites/d...ankakee Marsh Restoration Project Summary.pdf
 
   / Pumping a lot of water from basement sump what to do with it? Irrigation?
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I like the idea of the shallow well. Thinking on that one and trying to find a solution to remove unwanted water and freezing issues.

Pond/drain tile - I had thought about that, and that sounds like the most legit reasoning behind all the water. But, I don't want assume anything. If it is not that, it is ground water.

I'm going to do some bore holes and fill testing/emptying along the east side. If I were to do a shallow well there, I have a bunch of runoff in that area. I think I would need to have the well casing 12-18" above grade to prevent filling from runoff. At least that's what I'm reading should be done. Nice and sealed up to prevent any contamination.
 
   / Pumping a lot of water from basement sump what to do with it? Irrigation? #114  
I like the idea of the shallow well. Thinking on that one and trying to find a solution to remove unwanted water and freezing issues.

Pond/drain tile - I had thought about that, and that sounds like the most legit reasoning behind all the water. But, I don't want assume anything. If it is not that, it is ground water.

I'm going to do some bore holes and fill testing/emptying along the east side. If I were to do a shallow well there, I have a bunch of runoff in that area. I think I would need to have the well casing 12-18" above grade to prevent filling from runoff. At least that's what I'm reading should be done. Nice and sealed up to prevent any contamination.

A shallow well for irrigation won't be tied into your potable water for your drinking, so contamination for drinking water won't be a problem. It is a way for chemicals to get into the aquifer. But if the water table is that high anyway, and there's ponds and ditches around, a shallow well is probably the least concern for point of entry for chemicals.

Good luck with your project. :thumbsup:
 
   / Pumping a lot of water from basement sump what to do with it? Irrigation? #115  
I like the idea of the shallow well. Thinking on that one and trying to find a solution to remove unwanted water and freezing issues.

Pond/drain tile - I had thought about that, and that sounds like the most legit reasoning behind all the water. But, I don't want assume anything. If it is not that, it is ground water.

I'm going to do some bore holes and fill testing/emptying along the east side. If I were to do a shallow well there, I have a bunch of runoff in that area. I think I would need to have the well casing 12-18" above grade to prevent filling from runoff. At least that's what I'm reading should be done. Nice and sealed up to prevent any contamination.

Right after the flood here, I designed a number of simple shallow de-watering wells that several agencies still use. It's a deliberately simple and inexpensive design for disaster areas, but has proven very durable. I'll explain it in detail and you might want to use it or some version of the same idea.

MATERIALS FOR A SIMPLE SHALLOW WELL:
The most basic version uses three ten foot sections of 4" diameter PVC pipe all glued into a single central T connector to form an a PVC "T". The two opposing legs are capped and many holes drilled into them to allow the water to flow in. These opposing legs are then covered with 10 foot lengths of corrugated&perforated 6" black drain pipe which is in turn covered with a soil sock or geotextile wrap.
The well's vertical upright "casing" is not perforated.

I originally chose these sizes because all the materials are available at Home Depot for about $100 total, and the size is adequate for either a a submersible or suction pump. The inflow rate will vary with the water table of course. The original sized above was designed for use in sandy soil or flood debris with a 6 foot deep water table and a draw of 15 gallon/minute.

However, any well is improved if the vertical leg is a larger diameter, and this one is no exception. If larger pipe is available, consider making the vertical leg from 6" diameter PVC. A standard 4" to 6" adapter can be used so that the inexpensive and readily available 4" "T" can still be used. Remember, the well's vertical upright leg is NOT perforated.

INSTALLING THE SIMPLE SHALLOW WELL:
To install the well, a backhoe digs a 25 to 30 foot long by ten foot deep slot style hole in the ground, and the inverted PVC "T" is lowered into the slot until the horizontal legs are resting on the bottom. Use ropes as slings to support the horizontal legs while lowering. After this well T is in position, six to twelve inches of clean gravel is dumped into the slot right on top of the horizontal legs and the slot then backfilled using native soil. The vertical leg can be extended above ground with a collar if extra height is needed.
That's all there is to the well itself.

PUMPING A SHALLOW WELL:
To pump from this well - or any shallow well - use either an above ground suction pump or a small diameter submersible well pump. Which one is used may depend on the the flow rate of the well.

A simple 1/2 to 1 hp suction pump is what most people use to start or to prove the well flow rate, although at least one of the wells locally has enough flow for a standard submersible well pump to run continuously. Hardware store 110v suction pumps are less expensive and easiest to install, but are lower flow and pressure than submersible well pumps.
To feed a suction type pump, a length of 1.5" to to 2" diameter suction hose with a filter on the end is dropped down the vertical leg of the well and connected to the pump above ground. Suction pumps usually need to be primed before they are run, and then are run continuously. To help with initial priming and then to maintain prime when the pump is turned off, I like to put a PVC ball valve between the pump and the suction hose. A one-way "flapper" valve can also be used. Or both.

Submersible well pumps are more efficient and offer much higher flow and pressure. Submersible well pumps are lowered directly into the vertical leg of the well and pump up to the surface via a 1.25" dia. PVC pipe. This type of pump is high flow, but they also cost more initially and most (not all) also require 220v, a controller, and pressure tank.

Good luck!
rScotty
 
   / Pumping a lot of water from basement sump what to do with it? Irrigation? #116  
Another thought,,,
if the water table is that high,, use the water to operate a water to air heat pump,,

Surely 25K gallons a day are enough to feed a water to air heat pump,,
my nephew dug two deep wells to get enough water to supply the two water to air heat pumps that air condition his home,,

If you do not want to pump the water out of the ground, dig a trench, drop in a plastic coil of pipe, and have the most efficient water to air heat pump possible.
That plastic pipe sitting in water will transfer heat better than ANYTHING,,, :thumbsup:
 
   / Pumping a lot of water from basement sump what to do with it? Irrigation? #117  
There are small lakes near me that are very high now. Researcher's from Madison can't figure it out either. They flooded with all the rains in 2008 and stayed high for 4 more years. Now it is even worse. Other than pumping a huge amount of water 2 miles to the river, they sit in the bathtub. One house that has been in the family 4 generations is very close to be the next to be tore down. If mother nature turns your area into a swamp, you can't win.
 
   / Pumping a lot of water from basement sump what to do with it? Irrigation? #118  
There are small lakes near me that are very high now. Researcher's from Madison can't figure it out either. They flooded with all the rains in 2008 and stayed high for 4 more years. Now it is even worse. Other than pumping a huge amount of water 2 miles to the river, they sit in the bathtub. One house that has been in the family 4 generations is very close to be the next to be tore down. If mother nature turns your area into a swamp, you can't win.

The researchers must have some theories. It seems that researchers are never at a loss for explanations; it's choosing a single one that they have problems with.
Have you talked with them? I wonder what ideas they are kicking around.

We've noticed the same thing where we live. The big flood here was 6 years ago, but the ground water is still a lot higher than it used to be.
rScotty
rScotty
 
   / Pumping a lot of water from basement sump what to do with it? Irrigation? #119  
The researchers must have some theories. It seems that researchers are never at a loss for explanations; it's choosing a single one that they have problems with.
Have you talked with them? I wonder what ideas they are kicking around.

No, didn't talk to them but the issue has been in the local papers. Just too wet..........
 
   / Pumping a lot of water from basement sump what to do with it? Irrigation? #120  
I like the idea of the shallow well. Thinking on that one and trying to find a solution to remove unwanted water and freezing issues.

Pond/drain tile - I had thought about that, and that sounds like the most legit reasoning behind all the water. But, I don't want assume anything. If it is not that, it is ground

I'm going to do some bore holes and fill testing/emptying along the east side. If I were to do a shallow well there, I have a bunch of runoff in that area. I think I would need to have the well casing 12-18" above grade to prevent filling from runoff. At least that's what I'm reading should be done. Nice and sealed up to prevent any contamination.

Google wellpoints - they are shallow wells spaced close to each other. Might give you some ideas.
 

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