Why are Kubota FEL's so weak?

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   / Why are Kubota FEL's so weak? #131  
LS jumps from a 1700# 25HP machine to the MT3 which is 45hp and 3700 pounds. So they really have no offering to compare to the L3901

The TYM T394 is a 3000# tractor
The 4015 branson is a 3000# tractor

These models are really in between kubotas models. Kubota offers the Lxx01 at ~2600-2700# then jumps to the GrandL at 3700#. None of which really compare to one another

That leaves the Massey 1739e, The CK4010, and the Boomer 37 to compare

The massey only lifts 1450 to max height. A tad more than the kubota....but at ground level it specs WEAKER with a break-out of 2288 vs kubota 2462. So I'd say these two arent gonna be much different in the real world. One is a few hundred pounds stronger down low, the other a few hundred stronger on the top end.

The boomer seems to be a standout with 2200#. But on tractors this size, 1000# hanging off the back + loaded tires is "just" enough for the 1200# loaders. So unless you put 1500#-2000# hanging off your 3ph......that extra lift capacity gains you NOTHING.

The kioti.......maybe someone else can shed some light. They had the 3000# CK35 paired with a 1200# loader. Tier IV hits and they can manage to shed 300-400# off the tractor, while adding all the emissions crap, boosting 5HP, and still give 50% increase in loader capacity? But again, better have a TON of ballast back there or it is useless.

Like someone said earlier, you could put some 4" diameter cylinders on the loader (like off a logsplitter). ANd on paper that baby would spec for 6000# lift capacity. But the specs are all theoretical. And NOT a true indication of what it can actually lift.

Ironic that two of the biggest players in the game.....deere and kubota......both have the lowest lift "rating". Think maybe there is a reason for that?
Also ironic that those who always complain about the weak kubota loader on the economy L's are those who are just window shopping and looking at a spec sheet and not the people who own and actually use them.
The people that actually own them are the ones making comments like:
I find that hilarious too. People claiming the economy Ls have a week loader. My L3200 could barely keep the back end on the ground with heavy ballast on the 3pt. Ballast is the week point, the front axle may be a week point. The loader is definitely not weak.
Those tractors have more than enough loader that that weight tractor can handle. My L3800 with loaded tires and a 500 pound box blade still can’t keep the back end down.
My L2501, with stock relief pressure, 525 Loader, loaded rears and 6ft Landpride finish mower will lift the rears if I'm trying to lift something too heavy.
 
   / Why are Kubota FEL's so weak? #132  
SNIP..........Ironic that two of the biggest players in the game.....deere and kubota......both have the lowest lift "rating". Think maybe there is a reason for that?
.....SNIP

That's a quote worth repeating. I think someone also mentioned Massey - also a big player - having a lift rating only slightly greater than Kubota.
In this thead we've also seen that simply increasing FEL lift capacity is quick and inexpensive to do.

Perhaps it's time to turn the OP's original question around. Instead of "why is Kubota so weak?", it becomes "What do the big players know about loaders that the challengers are ignoring?"
rScotty
 
   / Why are Kubota FEL's so weak? #133  
Understressed comes to mind. Engineering FEL capacity to lower specs lends itself to less overload stress on FEL components and front axles. Kubota, Deere, and Massey know what they are doing. I guess the Korean manufacturers do also.
 
   / Why are Kubota FEL's so weak? #134  
So when a user breaks the hydraulic cylinders by lifting too much the Korean tractor company will just blame the user.

I would be surprised if the front axles and cylinders are bigger on the Korean tractors than the Kubotas on equivalent sizes.



The BL150 also lifts to almost 10 inches Higher than the Kubota LA525

breakout force LA525 2462lb BL 150 3660lb...

BL 150 lift cylinders 2.2inch X 1.2inch LA 525 ??



Mmm Been reading TBN for a few years now, How many Broken FEL threads are there on Branson tractors? Can you point me to some?

That is a serious question
 
   / Why are Kubota FEL's so weak? #135  
Some front axle issues on some Branson units that I have seen. Don't know if it is endemic of a specific series or not.
 
   / Why are Kubota FEL's so weak? #137  
Some front axle issues on some Branson units that I have seen. Don't know if it is endemic of a specific series or not.

They did had a series built in 2005 that had some front axle issues. These tractors turn the front wheels so sharp, that some people would drive them on loose soil full lock without the 4x4 on, that the front wheels were acting like a bulldozer blade. Therefore breaking the wheel axle.

It's now fixed ever since that series.
 
   / Why are Kubota FEL's so weak? #138  
Understressed comes to mind. Engineering FEL capacity to lower specs lends itself to less overload stress on FEL components and front axles. Kubota, Deere, and Massey know what they are doing. I guess the Korean manufacturers do also.
We had a good sized LS (P7020?) at work and it went through front axles like nobody's business.
We had a HLA push box on it (bought from the dealer as a package) and it had the stub axle snap off several times.
When the warranty was up, it was replaced with a Deere that has a traditional ujoint front axle (might be a double ujoint), but the guys who drive it say that it's twice the tractor.

Aaron Z
 
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Yes interesting, that is the next heavier series Up from the 15 series in Branson though.

basic tractor weight 4053 lb before adding FEL
Thicker/ heavier transmission casting
front axle hub ends are mounted in double shear so should be stronger than the 15 series

also the new FEL for the 3520 is the BL 200 which lifts 2701 lb to full height at the pin.
 
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