Why are Kubota FEL's so weak?

[4570Man]

I meant in the comments of the video... Not in here.
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Most of the negative comments I saw were complaining about the lack of a bale spear on the Deere. Like that would have made all the difference. It weighs nearly half what the red tractor does.

 

[Jstpssng]

Well...Could've fooled me! :laughing:

IMO, Admin should have closed this thread over a year ago.

The thread title should have been a clue for me to stay away but I just had to see why it remained active.
I tried not to get sucked in but some of the replies were worth reading until JWR smartened up and started a thread over in "Attachments", https://www.tractorbynet.com/forums...ion-specs-capability-fels-loading.htmlwithout all of the snarky comments.

 

[k0ua]

So when a user breaks the hydraulic cylinders by lifting too much the Korean tractor company will just blame the user.

I would be surprised if the front axles and cylinders are bigger on the Korean tractors than the Kubotas on equivalent sizes.

I know the front axle's on my 35hp Kioti are considerably bigger than my 35 hp Kubota I traded in on it. And the overall weight of the tractor was 1026 lbs heavier without loader.

 

[goeduck]

Branson specifically, builds their tractors like the good ol'school ones. Heavy duty and built to last. If you check one by yourself, you'll see that everything is massively built for the size of the tractor. That's also why Branson tractors are the heavier and have more lifting capacity both on the loader and 3 pt versus all the competition.

If Branson built those front axles out of lead, they would be even heavier, therefore much stronger, correct? That is what you are implying.

There can be a huge difference in metals used and in how the axles are designed. More weight does not guarantee more strength.

 

[ptsg]

If Branson built those front axles out of lead, they would be even heavier, therefore much stronger, correct? That is what you are implying.

There can be a huge difference in metals used and in how the axles are designed. More weight does not guarantee more strength.

Yeah... No.

That's just the typical argument some people use because they don't believe that these tractors are just built heavy duty like the old days. Most of them didn't even saw these tractors in person.

If they lift more than the competition, obviously they will need to build it stronger and heavier.

 

[goeduck]

If they lift more than the competition, obviously they will need to build it stronger and heavier.

Maybe, maybe not. Brand X could be using inferior metals and need more weight to get similar strength and they could be using less of an overdesign than the other brands to get the lift rating higher to boost sales. You do not know, I do not know. I am sure Branson makes good tractors as does Kubota. No need to bash.

 

[ptsg]

Maybe, maybe not. Brand X could be using inferior metals and need more weight to get similar strength and they could be using less of an overdesign than the other brands to get the lift rating higher to boost sales. You do not know, I do not know. I am sure Branson makes good tractors as does Kubota. No need to bash.

And where do you see me bashing anything at all? As I said, I used to have a Kubota.

Now I own a Branson and happen to know enough about castings and steel quality to see whether they built good or bad stuff. I can say that they do build good stuff.

Is not that you see threads with broken tractors all the time.

 

[tradosaurus]

I know the front axle's on my 35hp Kioti are considerably bigger than my 35 hp Kubota I traded in on it. And the overall weight of the tractor was 1026 lbs heavier without loader.

Define "considerably". Because my L3301 has a 5" dia. front axle and it would be hard to believe that a Korean tractor has a "considerably" bigger front axle for the equivalent hp tractor.

 

[Egon]

If Branson built those front axles out of lead, they would be even heavier, therefore much stronger, correct? That is what you are implying.

There can be a huge difference in metals used and in how the axles are designed. More weight does not guarantee more strength.

You are just confusing us with details like design requirements and strength/durability of materials used for different parts! :thumbsup:

 

[rScotty]

It痴 not being a fan boy or hating on anything. It痴 simply a stupid comparison. You can compare pretty much anything and you would determine that the 50 percent bigger one is stronger. .

That's simply not true about bigger being how to make things stronger. The only time something bigger is stronger is when the material being used is the same. When the manufacturer is starting with something as inexpensive and primative as parts made of cast iron, it's easy for the competition to make something the same size but much stronger just by changing the alloy. But doing so adds cost, requires investing in the next step up in technology, and is pretty much invisible to customer.
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