Which would you buy? (Help me spend my money)

[lilranch2001]

Op says "primary uses are snowblowing (90+inches per year) " means a cab unit is a must

I do not think MG read the OPS full post

 

[TSO]

I think a tracked skid steer would be ideal, and have peripherally considered that, but the cost is just too prohibitive.

What's your max budget?

 

[DK35vince]

I'd rather buy a tractor made in Japan, than India, South Korea, or China, that's for sure!.. also, no Cast Steel frame!. formed Steel all the way!..

I've owned both.
My previous tractor - John Deere 850 (made by Yanmar- Japan) and a Kioti DK 35 (made in South Korea)
Both were very good tractors.
If the Japan made JD was a better made or more reliable tractor than my Korean made Kioti DK you would have to show me where.
In the 18 years I have owned the Kioti, I certainly don't see it.

 

[JK22]

We tend to "grow" rocks where I live. You can't dig a shovel in the ground without hitting one. They vary in size from football to car size. In my woods, they are just sitting all over. I'd like to be able to go in, get them out, and use them to build up some retaining walls. This is one reason lift capacity (and wide tires with ballast) is important to me.

As an example, here are some pictures in my woods.View attachment 616305View attachment 616306

Get a backhoe with whatever you go with. You need it for this task and you won’t regret it. Getting rocks like that out with an FEL won’t happen. And they are probably bigger than they appear on the surface. I also find it makes an excellent ballast.

 

[RSR]

What's your max budget?

Implements and all, 45k, including taxes. I'd really like to stay well below that, though. My plan for implements was forks, a box blade, snowblower, and grapple.

 

[RSR]

What I dont see in your post is the curves for the LS tractors (at pin and 500 mm forward). Did you find those as well? Just curious. It looks like you only have a curve for the Kubota?

Also I would restate your comment as “Kubota loaders in this class are weak”.

Kubota is the only one I've been able to get a curve for, so far.

 

[RonSwanson]

The 3560 loader IS anemic. If you step up to a 4060 you can get a much more capable loader.

 

[hks003]

So some rough math to get an estimate at 500mm.

2718 lb at the pin. From the diagram in the LL4104 manual, the pin is roughly 5ft in front of the center of the front axle, so 2718 lb * 5 ft is 13590 lb*ft of torque at the front axle.

Now, 500mm is just under 20 in, so add that to 5 ft and you get 80 in, or 6 2/3 ft.

13590 lb*ft / 6 2/3 ft gives us 2038.5 lbs at 500mm from the pin.

Comparing that to the Kubota LA805 loader option on the L3560, the stouter of the two shown in the manual I found, at 1715 lbs at the pin and 1290 lbs at 500 mm forward.

All that being said, the Kubota lifts higher and all these numbers are at max height, so if you were to lower the Kubota to the height of the LS, it could be closer. I'd have to break out the old statics book to do that, and I'm not that interested haha! Hope I helped!

Manual page screen shots attached.

 

[RSR]

So some rough math to get an estimate at 500mm.

2718 lb at the pin. From the diagram in the LL4104 manual, the pin is roughly 5ft in front of the center of the front axle, so 2718 lb * 5 ft is 13590 lb*ft of torque at the front axle.

Now, 500mm is just under 20 in, so add that to 5 ft and you get 80 in, or 6 2/3 ft.

13590 lb*ft / 6 2/3 ft gives us 2038.5 lbs at 500mm from the pin.

Comparing that to the Kubota LA805 loader option on the L3560, the stouter of the two shown in the manual I found, at 1715 lbs at the pin and 1290 lbs at 500 mm forward.

All that being said, the Kubota lifts higher and all these numbers are at max height, so if you were to lower the Kubota to the height of the LS, it could be closer. I'd have to break out the old statics book to do that, and I'm not that interested haha! Hope I helped!

Manual page screen shots attached. View attachment 616371View attachment 616372

See post 29. It's easy and straightforward to compare loader lift capacities at the pivot pins between the various models.

 

[RSR]

The 3560 loader IS anemic. If you step up to a 4060 you can get a much more capable loader.

I guess my thought is, why step up to the L4060 and pay and extra $10k, instead of just getting an LS or TYM.

It seems most of the comments here are heavily skewed towards Kubota, probably with good reason. However, it takes a reasonably high degree of mental gymanstics for me to justify moving up to a larger tractor, and paying upwards of $40k, when a $30k LS or $26k TYM accomplishes the same thing.

Is a Kubota really worth paying 50%+ more?!?!?