AR Rifles..

[duramaxsky]

Thanks for all the posts.. Considering what I have read here and everywhere else I don't think I really want to be taking an AR apart other than to clean it. I have a few 22 rifles that are tack drivers so I think I have decided on a M&Pï½15 SPORT II with MAGPULï½ MOEï½ M-LOK 223..

Looks like $500 buys one. I am not willing to spend more than that on one, any more than that and I have a tendency to gravitate towards 30 year old pretty wood..

Good choice! I have one and with the twist rate they have they work well with 55 grain ammo. 1 in 9 is much better than 1 in 9 some other guns have. They need 62 grain. But you will also do well with 62 grain in that gun.

 

[shooterdon]

I opened the thread so I think I can safely derail it..


I shoot single right handed with a handgun, I have no stomach muscles so I have to balance holding onto my wheelchair with my left hand while shooting a handgun. A rifle or shotgun is not a issue because I can rest my left elbow on my armrest which acts like a bench.

I have been shooting a Walther 40cal for a while this way and decided to buy a Walther PPS Mod 2 LE edition 9mm for carry, I'm glad I did, I can control it better.

My question is carry ammo, the local gun shop has some Federal HST 150gr for short barrel guns, I'm new to 9mm, what do you carry in sub compact 9mm, 115, 124, 147 or 150gr?

I use the 124 gr Speer Gold Dots in both the Kahr and the Glock. Made my choice years ago after doing some research but things may have changed. I bought a lot of them when I found them on sale, so it would be hard to justify changing to something else. Have never hunted with them so cannot comment on expansion.

 

[Fuddy1952]

My magazine capacity question was general thinking out loud. I'm an NRA member, guns are great and I believe the majority of US citizens cherish our Constitution and the second amendment which is quite simple... "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
I certainly don't want this becoming political, but I question things which is how I learn new things.
Some people, thinking back to the original intentions of the constitution written over 200 years ago what was the intent, since guns were flintlock I assume. If the intention was (since at the time we weren't that far from British control) to "keep our militia in check" things have certainly changed! I have prepper friends who actually think that, which imho is lunacy.
If gun ownership is for home protection, shooting varmints, hunting, target practice then (again, my opinion) requires a variety of guns.
Where it gets strange having grown up in the 50s-60s is no one had an AR back then. Basically shotgun, pistol, a .22, then maybe a 30-06. My point to all this is back then most dangerous people were in jail, prison, or mental hospital. Only a few collectors I knew had anything high capacity.
I don't target practice much, when I do it's getting scope adjusted properly if it has one or a pistol, knowing how to properly aim.
It's always the way in any and everything the few lunatics ruin things for the 99.9+% rest of society. Maybe now the idea would be to purchase certain types of guns and high capacity magazines one would have to pass a thorough background check?
Any thoughts appreciated.

 

[k0ua]

The only problem with calling 911 is when seconds count the police are minutes away.

Yes, but when our firearms are at the bottom of the lake... well it is the best we can do.. call 911 and just wait... and wait. and wait.. 20 minutes is about typical for around here.

 

[Steppenwolfe]

My magazine capacity question was general thinking out loud. I'm an NRA member, guns are great and I believe the majority of US citizens cherish our Constitution and the second amendment which is quite simple... "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
I certainly don't want this becoming political, but I question things which is how I learn new things.
Some people, thinking back to the original intentions of the constitution written over 200 years ago what was the intent, since guns were flintlock I assume. If the intention was (since at the time we weren't that far from British control) to "keep our militia in check" things have certainly changed! I have prepper friends who actually think that, which imho is lunacy.
If gun ownership is for home protection, shooting varmints, hunting, target practice then (again, my opinion) requires a variety of guns.
Where it gets strange having grown up in the 50s-60s is no one had an AR back then. Basically shotgun, pistol, a .22, then maybe a 30-06. My point to all this is back then most dangerous people were in jail, prison, or mental hospital. Only a few collectors I knew had anything high capacity.
I don't target practice much, when I do it's getting scope adjusted properly if it has one or a pistol, knowing how to properly aim.
It's always the way in any and everything the few lunatics ruin things for the 99.9+% rest of society. Maybe now the idea would be to purchase certain types of guns and high capacity magazines one would have to pass a thorough background check?
Any thoughts appreciated.

You think like my wife, who does have a CC license and enjoys guns. I personally have never been enamored by the Ar's, but I don't own one either. I think the day is coming when we will have to compromise to keep the rest of our guns... The new generation of kids coming up don't seem to be into guns, OR our 2nd amendment rights. That is scary to me...

 

[jjp8182]

So a bit of a precursor, prior to actually buying one I didn't have a whole lot of respect for either the style of rifle or the "primary" caliber of .223/5.56mm, but I eventually bought one because I wanted to improve my personal shooting skill with center-fire rifles.

Through the use of Ammoseek (great place to find who's selling ammunition for the lowest price per round), I was able to find out that (at the time) 7.62x39mm, 7.62x54mmR and .223 Remington were the cheapest center-fire cartridges to shoot. As I wanted a US developed/mass manufactured cartridge (primarily for continuity of supply) I went with the .223 Remington cartridge. As far choosing the AR-style platform over other designs, it was again due to the logistics concerns of parts availability and not being tied to a single manufacturer's pricing structure and business decisions. So the standardization of the .223/5.56mm AR-pattern had a lot of appeal, as did the flexibility in being able to change calibers relatively easily without changing the ergonomics (or quality) of the trigger and firing process.

After buying the first (which taught be a lot), I've bought a few more -- all in configurations that are different enough that they are drastically different rifles even though they use many of the same parts/interfaces (and the exact same magazine). For example, the first I bought was an ultralight variant with a 16" pencil barrel, the second has a 24" full bull barrel ...the difference in accuracy between just those two was eye opening (especially after the first few shots, as the light barrel one will quickly start to drastically wander). The by the time I bought the third one chambered in .223 I bought the completed upper, but fully assembled the lower myself.

So over the course of buying and shooting all three of those I actually gained a lot of respect for both the AR-pattern rifles, as well as the .223 cartridge. Being able to put an entire 20 round box of ammunition into a 1.5" group@100yd (as I've done on multiple occasions with high quality ammo), or bounce 12 gauge hulls (also from 100yds) is just fun --- especially if it's done about as quick as you can acquire the target, pull the trigger, observe the impact and repeat. All of which can be done rather quickly with the 24" bull barrel one as the recoil is pretty low for a center-fire rifle (particularly given the cartridge and rifle weight).

Actually at this point I'd say that in a lot of ways buying an AR is comparable to buying a tractor in that not all ARs are the same, and what you want to use it for can drive which one you buy as well as what tools/attachments you may (or may not) add to it.

As for them being banned I'm of the thought that while it may eventually happen if/when it does I wouldn't be surprised if it triggers the same type of events that resulted in the creation of the US. Particularly since the parts of the younger generation who do get into shooting firearms seem more likely to own an AR-pattern rifle (or multiple) than they are to only own ones with traditional wood (or other material) stock -- and even more so if they have prior military service. I could be wrong, but as many ARs as have been sold in the US and as few members of the older generations who seem to own (or even have any respect for the rifle/cartridge) it's not too hard to be jumping to that conclusion.

 

[kenmac]

You think like my wife, who does have a CC license and enjoys guns. I personally have never been enamored by the Ar's, but I don't own one either. I think the day is coming when we will have to compromise to keep the rest of our guns... The new generation of kids coming up don't seem to be into guns, OR our 2nd amendment rights. That is scary to me...

I think once we began to compromise, the compromising won't stop.
We will compromise ARs' Next we will compromise High cap. magazines, then any semi auto, etc, etc,. I really don't see it stopping once it starts

 

[k0ua]

I think once we began to compromise, the compromising won't stop.
We will compromise ARs' Next we will compromise High cap. magazines, then any semi auto, etc, etc,. I really don't see it stopping once it starts

This is the old Russian proverb about throwing the baby out of the sleigh to keep the wolves appeased. Just who's baby shall we throw first and how long will the wolves be appeased? Not long.

 

[atsah]

I think once we began to compromise, the compromising won't stop.
We will compromise ARs' Next we will compromise High cap. magazines, then any semi auto, etc, etc,. I really don't see it stopping once it starts

That's a fact..

There are way more lunatics that are against owning firearms than there are that legally own firearms..

 

[Jstpssng]

You think like my wife, who does have a CC license and enjoys guns. I personally have never been enamored by the Ar's, but I don't own one either. I think the day is coming when we will have to compromise to keep the rest of our guns... The new generation of kids coming up don't seem to be into guns, OR our 2nd amendment rights. That is scary to me...

We've had our day, and now are starting to pass the torch. The experiences and values we grew up with aren't the same as those of people coming of age in the last 10-20 years, but it's going to be their world and we won't be around forever to say they are wrong.

I was caught off guard in that same lake I believe. I had a bunch of Glock variants, SA XDM variants, 1911 variants, 7 AR-15 variants, two AK variants and an SKS sporterized rifle in my boat when the wind took and capsized me. I really wish I could afford to buy more weapons, but I have been without a single weapon since that fateful boating accident. I've realized that I am now safer without thos silly things anyways. All I had to do was post a large bold printed sign at the kitchen phone that reads "IF EMERGENCY OCCURS, DIAL 911 AND TRY TO STAY ALIVE UNTIL THEY ARRIVE". Now I know that I am prepared for anything.

That's a good plan, and I commend you for it. Hopefully you aren't one of the many Americans who have cut the cord, so that your kitchen phone still works. Somebody mentioned 20 minutes for help to arrive... you are lucky. The nearest officer could very well be 50 miles away from here, hopefully not on another emergency.