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   / AR Rifles.. #181  
850? nice size lake. How about hitting something moving, are the tumbleweeds blowing around yet? Not sure how you would know if you hit it.

Elmer Keith shot softball-sized rocks with HGs at 100s of yards. Bob Munden popped balloons that far with .38 Spl. (see below*)

Buy which, an AR or a peasant? :laughing:

A sign of true class is to to treat your servants well. Same with contract employees, 1099'ed help, and of course, the Mistress .. or no arm candy when you go out. :p

* My fun with ARs, and I mean 15s vs bulky 10s, is with the other dozen efficient calibers, what IMO puts the 'Modern' in MSR. (6.5 Grendel, 6.8 SPC/SPC II, .22 Valkyrie, .300 Ham'r, others ..)

I suggest that .223 is most fun at 200-300 yd, where it's totally adequate for game, say<100lb, but wind, weather, etc can demand the shooter to show his/her skill. What Oosik is shooting and shooting at shows how what we're born with can put food on the table far beyond the range of spears and clubs. ;)
 
   / AR Rifles.. #182  
...I suggest that .223 is most fun at 200-300 yd, where it's totally adequate for game...
It may be adequate but at those distances and such light weight projectiles pin point accuracy is paramount for humane kills...
 
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#183  
Personally I wouldn't use a 223 on game at 2-300 yards if I hunted which I don't, I have rifles made for that.. Any animals that I need to dispatch are trying to invade my house in some way so it's all up close with a 22mag..
 
   / AR Rifles.. #184  
My friend had "strange" 223 ammo also. It was steel cased ammo. And, of course, full metal jacket. I saved one spent casing. It says - 223 Rem & TUL ammo. Even in bright sunlight and with a magnifying glass the "TUL" is difficult to read. It might be - TJL.

I'm almost certain that you have seen the aerial pic of my property Goeduck. Actually, the 850' shot is diagonal across my little five acre lake. From the porch - diagonal across to the highest cliffs on the far end of the lake. I was more that surprised to see the puff of rock dust and the little sage bush fall off the cliff and into the water.
 
   / AR Rifles.. #185  
That's just cheap steel case ammo. Tul is a brand. There is alot of 7.62x39 steel case. Steel cases are not that great for your gun.
 
   / AR Rifles.. #186  
TUL is probably short for Tula. Russian ammo. Steel case doesn't hurt anything other than maybe scratch the outside when ejected.. or dirty..
 
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#187  
Steel case isn't something I would use, I used it once in a handgun, I think it was made in Russia, lots of smoke and made a mess pretty quick in the internals.. I won't use aluminum either, I know it works fine but I just don't like the idea of it, brass case is what I buy..
 
   / AR Rifles.. #188  
From the Tula factory in Russia.

TulAmmo Ammo 223 Remington 55 Grain Full Metal Jacket (Bi-Metal) Steel

tula223.jpg

Bruce
 
   / AR Rifles.. #189  
TUL is probably short for Tula. Russian ammo. Steel case doesn't hurt anything other than maybe scratch the outside when ejected.. or dirty..
Berdan primers are harder than boxer primers.

Over ALOT of 1000s rounds, steel cases can be bad for the chamber in a gun due to the way they expand. Can be hard on extractors too.

Alot of gun manufacturers will not honor their warranty if steel case ammo is used.
 
   / AR Rifles.. #190  
Berdan primers are harder than boxer primers.

Over ALOT of 1000s rounds, steel cases can be bad for the chamber in a gun due to the way they expand. Can be hard on extractors too.

Alot of gun manufacturers will not honor their warranty if steel case ammo is used.

The scenario you describe would be the same with any ammo.. Gun makers worth owning will stand behind their product.
 

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