AR Rifles..

[hunt4570]

With the shells, or without them?
Seriously, that's nothing more than people showing their need to feel superior. As I stated before, if "clip" is good enough for Savage Arms, I don't see how it can be such a wrong term.

Like sea shells?? I think my daughter has some clips like that..

 

[hunt4570]

Most that I see certainly aren't engineers.

HA!! Most are not good, or even ok drivers!

 

[Sigarms]

That could all be, what I was saying is that a semi auto is not a military assault rifle.

We're spliting hairs. My only point is people tend to think that full auto is more deadly then semi auto. It call comes down to how profecient the user is with the weapon.

A grunt in WW1 carried a bolt action rifle.

 

[BigBlue1]

All that I know is that people are way too picky... and what it says on the magazine for my Savage 99C. Just like many people are **** if somebody calls an engine a motor... yet I have yet to hear a 100HP Johnson an "outboard engine."

The larger point is that when you have someone putting themselves in the position of a subject matter expert talking about how things work, how deadly they are, etc. and proposing new, very impactful laws that affect a basic constitutional right then you (well, I) would expect them to know the subject very well and be the expert they claim to be. Calling a magazine a 'clip' is one example of this. Another is when they make blatant and ridiculous claims that are not remotely accurate (such as saying a .223 round from an "assault rifle" is "so much more deadly than any other weapon" when, in fact, it is one of the least effective rounds among all non-rimfire rifles (in some states, a .223 isn't even legal for hunting deer because it is at the very low end for effectively & humanely killing said deer) it shows just how blindly they are pushing their cause and how ill-equipped they are to be taken seriously. So, people who do know how things work and what the facts are picky and tend to criticize those folks because of the importance of the topic.

You can call your outboard a motor all you want if you're just talking about it in general. Because it really doesn't matter beyond semantics. But when you want to curtail peoples' rights you better not be misguided.

Rob

 

[Jstpssng]

The larger point is that when you have someone putting themselves in the position of a subject matter expert talking about how things work, how deadly they are, etc. and proposing new, very impactful laws that affect a basic constitutional right then you (well, I) would expect them to know the subject very well and be the expert they claim to be. Calling a magazine a 'clip' is one example of this. Another is when they make blatant and ridiculous claims that are not remotely accurate (such as saying a .223 round from an "assault rifle" is "so much more deadly than any other weapon" when, in fact, it is one of the least effective rounds among all non-rimfire rifles (in some states, a .223 isn't even legal for hunting deer because it is at the very low end for effectively & humanely killing said deer) it shows just how blindly they are pushing their cause and how ill-equipped they are to be taken seriously. So, people who do know how things work and what the facts are picky and tend to criticize those folks because of the importance of the topic.

You can call your outboard a motor all you want if you're just talking about it in general. Because it really doesn't matter beyond semantics. But when you want to curtail peoples' rights you better not be misguided.

Rob

More often though it goes the other way, and not just with knowing the right lingo. If you have an interested neophyte and treat them like they are ignorant they are apt to lose interest fast. Take time to teach them, and you might make a convert. Yet how many times do you hear somebody tell of taking a person shooting for the first time and handing them an ought six or 12 gauge to “teach them to respect it”?
You can achieve that goal a lot more effectively by shooting a gallon jug of colored water.

 

[BigBlue1]

More often though it goes the other way, and not just with knowing the right lingo. If you have an interested neophyte and treat them like they are ignorant they are apt to lose interest fast. Take time to teach them, and you might make a convert. Yet how many times do you hear somebody tell of taking a person shooting for the first time and handing them an ought six or 12 gauge to 鍍each them to respect it?
You can achieve that goal a lot more effectively by shooting a gallon jug of colored water.

Right, in general situations. But the gun control topic is not something where you're trying to be kind with the opposition and 'bring them into the fold'. They are opposition and they are coming for your rights, unwelcomely, so they should be treated as hostile and held to the highest standard to make sure whatever they push isn't based on bunk and spread misinformation to the lesser engaged folks. There's really no way someone actively pushing for gun control is going to be 'converted' by folks being kind and understanding of their lack of knowledge on the topic.

If I were talking to a person in general about firearms, such as if they were expressing interest in the sport/topic, then I would be all for your suggestion. Correct them gently and help them know the right terminology so they can interact with others who are more well-versed. That's when you want to be kind and help them along the path.

 

[Jstpssng]

Right, in general situations. But the gun control topic is not something where you're trying to be kind with the opposition and 'bring them into the fold'. They are opposition and they are coming for your rights, unwelcomely, so they should be treated as hostile and held to the highest standard to make sure whatever they push isn't based on bunk and spread misinformation to the lesser engaged folks. There's really no way someone actively pushing for gun control is going to be 'converted' by folks being kind and understanding of their lack of knowledge on the topic.

It's not "the opposition" who you are alienating; they already know everything and aren't going to change. It's the other 80% of the population, getting turned off by rude know-it-alls which are who you should be concerned with.

Or another example; do you really consider OldPath to be "the opposition", who was the catalyst for this vein of the discussion?

 

[hunt4570]

My only point is people tend to think that full auto is more deadly then semi auto.

And in the hands of one of these weirdos shooting up a crowd now a days, they'd be right! thank God none have had a full auto as of yet!

 

[BigBlue1]

It's not "the opposition" who you are alienating; they already know everything and aren't going to change. It's the other 80% of the population, getting turned off by rude know-it-alls which are who you should be concerned with.

Or another example; do you really consider OldPath to be "the opposition", who was the catalyst for this vein of the discussion?

Perhaps I got the wrong impression of the discussion. What I read was that it was coming from a gun-control advocate. I have not read this thread in depth so if that's wrong then I concede that point. I revised my post above to reflect both paths. Kind and helpful when the 'clip' speaker is not hostile; holding them accountable for knowing details if they are pushing for new laws.

 

[widefat]

Would you buy this?
https://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-no-beto-ar-15-stripped-lower-receiver-preorder-item-8-9-weeks-delivery.html

I thought about it, and had it added to my cart. Then, I paused a moment and thought - do I really want to expose my name to this venture? A permanent record of a No-Beto lower?
I closed the page and won't be buying it.

What could happen you say?
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Think it can't happen?
https://pistol-forum.com/archive/index.php/t-24845.html
Truth be told, I don't know the outcome of the Peacemaker Range debacle.