Kubota Regeneration

[Oldoak]

I know my dealer personally as well as his head mechanic or should I say 'technician' and I asked him candidly one time a while ago about the emissions junk and his reply was.... I just sell and service them but my personal engines are all pre Tier 4.

Guess that covers that.

Well, that certainly covers his personal preference. But he also misses out on the advantages and comforts of many new improvements on present day tractors. To each, their own.........

 

[AllByteNoBark]

That is why I have had enough of it. Time and time again.

That I can understand. That would really tick me off also. Hope they get it figured out soon. I did not realize yours was doing that.

 

[5030]

Was at my dealer's this afternoon to pick up some items, drop off a couple gallons of apple cider (I made killer cider, it's fantastic) and was chewing the fat with him and the head wrench. Like his head tech says, most owners who buy them (Kubota's) don't ever put enough hours on them to be of consequence, least the smaller ones and he sells a bunch of them.

Besides, with 2100 minimum regeneration cycles on a cartridge, that equates to over 3000 meter hours and when was the last time yo saw a smaller Kubota with that many hours? Probably never.

Don't apply to the bigger ones so I guess we will see how that pans out.

I have 3500 plus hours on one of my M's but it took quite a few years to accrue that and I have 2 so the hours get split anyway.

 

[5030]

Well, that certainly covers his personal preference. But he also misses out on the advantages and comforts of many new improvements on present day tractors. To each, their own.........

Not really. He's a volume dealer so I don't think he is 'missing out' on anything. Don't consider Tier 4 final to be an improvement, well, maybe for tree huggers but not for the end user.

Mine are pretty 'comfortable with climate control, air ride seats, stereo and all the other 'comforts' you allude to.

 

[4570Man]

Well, that certainly covers his personal preference. But he also misses out on the advantages and comforts of many new improvements on present day tractors. To each, their own.........

Like what? We’re not talking 1970s vs today. My L3240 or 310j or M59 didn’t have the latest emissions garage and they’re all 3 pretty much the same machine minus the emissions garage as one built this year.

 

[JimR]

That I can understand. That would really tick me off also. Hope they get it figured out soon. I did not realize yours was doing that.

8 weeks without a tractor. Although I have brought it home twice so far just to put it back on a trailer and bring it back again. Over an hour each way plus borrowing a trailer each time. This is not fun by any means. I just wish Kioti would let the dealer replace everything in it like the DPF, injectors, ECU and whatever else could possibly go wrong and get this fixed.

 

[SDT]

8 weeks without a tractor. Although I have brought it home twice so far just to put it back on a trailer and bring it back again. Over an hour each way plus borrowing a trailer each time. This is not fun by any means. I just wish Kioti would let the dealer replace everything in it like the DPF, injectors, ECU and whatever else could possibly go wrong and get this fixed.

My B3350 was in the shop for 12 continuous weeks this summer.

It had about 32 hours on it when it went in and now has about 42. No regen yet since back.

This is the second time that it has been in the shop and the second time that it has regened.

Thanks, feds.

SDT

 

[JimR]

My B3350 was in the shop for 12 continuous weeks this summer.

It had about 32 hours on it when it went in and now has about 42. No regen yet since back.

This is the second time that it has been in the shop and the second time that it has regened.

Thanks, feds.

SDT

That stinks. My problems with my Kioti didn't start until around 420 hours. I can't recall a regen ever until around 300 hours. Just maybe that is part of the problem. They already had to pull the DPF apart to have it cleaned out because it was plugged up solid.

 

[Oldoak]

Not really. He's a volume dealer so I don't think he is 'missing out' on anything. Don't consider Tier 4 final to be an improvement, well, maybe for tree huggers but not for the end user.

Mine are pretty 'comfortable with climate control, air ride seats, stereo and all the other 'comforts' you allude to.

Like what? We’re not talking 1970s vs today. My L3240 or 310j or M59 didn’t have the latest emissions garage and they’re all 3 pretty much the same machine minus the emissions garage as one built this year.

I'm talking real tractors, not your toys. Farm tractors, not weekend editions for suburbanites.

 

[4570Man]

I'm talking real tractors, not your toys. Farm tractors, not weekend editions for suburbanites.

The 310 and and m59 are construction equipment not weekend editions and this is the weekend warrior website. If a piece of equipment that’s less than 10 years old is outdated by your standards than whatever happens to the emissions crap in 20-30 years seems like a moot point.

 

[5030]

I'm talking real tractors, not your toys. Farm tractors, not weekend editions for suburbanites.

I take it you never bothered to look at my listed equipment. Not a suburban wanna be owner. I farm and own and operate a working farm. I consider your tractors wanna be toys, not mine.

Nothing here less than 80 pto. My tractors 'do it in the dirt' and none are wannabe.

 

[5030]

The 310 and and m59 are construction equipment not weekend editions and this is the weekend warrior website. If a piece of equipment that’s less than 10 years old is outdated by your standards than whatever happens to the emissions crap in 20-30 years seems like a moot point.

For the most part that is a fair statement. There are a few of us that actually derive our income from farming. I'm one. No toys here, other than the Sidekick my wife purchased a few months ago but I have plans to put a spray rig in the bed so it gets to work as well.

I find the smaller tractors for the most part to be a status symbol for suburbanites that want to 'look the part' but i reality haven't a clue other than a fat payment book.

Around my place, tractors and implements work at farming.

I cannot fault the little tractors though. They keep my dealer in business and keep his bottom line in the black. I have absolutely no material use for them however. If I need to mow the lawn, I use a lawnmower not a wannabe tractor with a deck on it. Closest thing I have to a tractor lawn mower is my bat wing I chop fields with.

 

[5030]

Think my dealer is alluding to the fact that an original owner of T4 final smaller unit will not be the one dealing with emissions issues but rather the second or possibly the 3rd owner because, for the most part compact tractors and even mid size ag based units that consumers buy who don't use them in an ag setting but rather as a 'status' symbol, will never accrue enough hours on them to be of consequence as far as emissions issues are concerned.

How many (if any) smaller units do you see with 3K hours on the meter (I use the 3K figure because that is what 2100 (minimum regeneration cycles work out to. Kubota's minimum is 2100 and high end 2300 cycles before cartridge replacement / cleaning is required). I wold venture a guess at NONE. However, jumping up to the bigger ag based tractors, 3K hours is not uncommon at all.

The average small unit owner with a T4 final engine should be unconcerned with regen because they will most likely never attain the accrued hours where replacement / cleaning becomes an issue anyway.

You put a larger tractor in the field for 10 -12 hours a day for weeks on end, meter hours add up fast. Mowing the lawn or playing with a backhoe in the back yard, not so much.

 

[4570Man]

For the most part that is a fair statement. There are a few of us that actually derive our income from farming. I'm one. No toys here, other than the Sidekick my wife purchased a few months ago but I have plans to put a spray rig in the bed so it gets to work as well.

I find the smaller tractors for the most part to be a status symbol for suburbanites that want to 'look the part' but i reality haven't a clue other than a fat payment book.

Around my place, tractors and implements work at farming.

I cannot fault the little tractors though. They keep my dealer in business and keep his bottom line in the black. I have absolutely no material use for them however. If I need to mow the lawn, I use a lawnmower not a wannabe tractor with a deck on it. Closest thing I have to a tractor lawn mower is my bat wing I chop fields with.

I think you’re being too hard on the little tractors. Just because they don’t earn a living doesn’t mean they aren’t useful tools. Without them most people would have little choice but to mow a half acre around their house and let the rest go to the wild. And have fun shoveling snow by hand and raking your gravel driveway by hand. Even if they don’t get a lot of hours per year there’s a ton of work to be done around rural or even not so rural properties with a tractor.

 

[5030]

Reminded me of one of the guy I worked with before I retired. Lived in a sub division and his neighbor bought a gas powered JD utility tractor so not to be outdone he went and bought a JD diesel compact and got all the 'attachments', most of which just took up space in his garage. I remember him crabbing about how difficult it was to mount and dismount the mower and how the backhoe was a PITA as well. Probably still has it and probably mows his sub division lawn with a push mower now.

I look at tractors as tools to perform a task, in my case farming. Not toys and not purchased to be 'one up' in a neighbor. In fact on the tractor scale, I'm towards the bottom but what I run does the job for me. Besides, they are paid for. Big plus with me. Bolsters my bottom line.

 

[JimR]

Reminded me of one of the guy I worked with before I retired. Lived in a sub division and his neighbor bought a gas powered JD utility tractor so not to be outdone he went and bought a JD diesel compact and got all the 'attachments', most of which just took up space in his garage. I remember him crabbing about how difficult it was to mount and dismount the mower and how the backhoe was a PITA as well. Probably still has it and probably mows his sub division lawn with a push mower now.

I look at tractors as tools to perform a task, in my case farming. Not toys and not purchased to be 'one up' in a neighbor. In fact on the tractor scale, I'm towards the bottom but what I run does the job for me. Besides, they are paid for. Big plus with me. Bolsters my bottom line.

I bought my NX4510HST to work with, not as a toy or a status symbol. I can't imagine someone buying something like this just to have around to impress or mow a lawn.

 

[RickB]

There’s no shortage of New Holland 20 series & TC’s and Kubota B and L series tractors around with 3000 plus hours. But it’s a little bit like the economics of using net wrap on round bales. If you view the world from a single perspective the vista is narrow and limited. This is not a one size fits all world.

 

[jk96]

Am I missing something on the 3,000 hours benchmark stated above? At 2100 cycles and regen every 20 -30 hours aren't we looking at 40,000 to 60,000 hours before cartridge replacement?

 

[RickB]

Am I missing something on the 3,000 hours benchmark stated above? At 2100 cycles and regen every 20 -30 hours aren't we looking at 40,000 to 60,000 hours before cartridge replacement?

I do not think you are missing a thing. I saw that but figured it was not worth my time to convince them otherwise. Even a 10 hour regen frequency invalidates all the claims.

 

[JimR]

I do not think you are missing a thing. I saw that but figured it was not worth my time to convince them otherwise. Even a 10 hour regen frequency invalidates all the claims.

Based on that info it should never have to be changed out. With 447 hours on my Kioti it was so plugged up that it had to be removed and cleaned out. A regeneration wouldn't clean it up and you couldn't see thru it. Mine has probably lost some of its life already. In the last 27 hours it has been plugged up so bad that it went into limp mode 3 times and back to the dealer each time under warranty.