Kubota Regeneration

[5030]

I'm talking real tractors, not your toys. Farm tractors, not weekend editions for suburbanites.

I take it you never bothered to look at my listed equipment. Not a suburban wanna be owner. I farm and own and operate a working farm. I consider your tractors wanna be toys, not mine.

Nothing here less than 80 pto. My tractors 'do it in the dirt' and none are wannabe.

 

[5030]

The 310 and and m59 are construction equipment not weekend editions and this is the weekend warrior website. If a piece of equipment that’s less than 10 years old is outdated by your standards than whatever happens to the emissions crap in 20-30 years seems like a moot point.

For the most part that is a fair statement. There are a few of us that actually derive our income from farming. I'm one. No toys here, other than the Sidekick my wife purchased a few months ago but I have plans to put a spray rig in the bed so it gets to work as well.

I find the smaller tractors for the most part to be a status symbol for suburbanites that want to 'look the part' but i reality haven't a clue other than a fat payment book.

Around my place, tractors and implements work at farming.

I cannot fault the little tractors though. They keep my dealer in business and keep his bottom line in the black. I have absolutely no material use for them however. If I need to mow the lawn, I use a lawnmower not a wannabe tractor with a deck on it. Closest thing I have to a tractor lawn mower is my bat wing I chop fields with.

 

[5030]

Think my dealer is alluding to the fact that an original owner of T4 final smaller unit will not be the one dealing with emissions issues but rather the second or possibly the 3rd owner because, for the most part compact tractors and even mid size ag based units that consumers buy who don't use them in an ag setting but rather as a 'status' symbol, will never accrue enough hours on them to be of consequence as far as emissions issues are concerned.

How many (if any) smaller units do you see with 3K hours on the meter (I use the 3K figure because that is what 2100 (minimum regeneration cycles work out to. Kubota's minimum is 2100 and high end 2300 cycles before cartridge replacement / cleaning is required). I wold venture a guess at NONE. However, jumping up to the bigger ag based tractors, 3K hours is not uncommon at all.

The average small unit owner with a T4 final engine should be unconcerned with regen because they will most likely never attain the accrued hours where replacement / cleaning becomes an issue anyway.

You put a larger tractor in the field for 10 -12 hours a day for weeks on end, meter hours add up fast. Mowing the lawn or playing with a backhoe in the back yard, not so much.

 

[4570Man]

For the most part that is a fair statement. There are a few of us that actually derive our income from farming. I'm one. No toys here, other than the Sidekick my wife purchased a few months ago but I have plans to put a spray rig in the bed so it gets to work as well.

I find the smaller tractors for the most part to be a status symbol for suburbanites that want to 'look the part' but i reality haven't a clue other than a fat payment book.

Around my place, tractors and implements work at farming.

I cannot fault the little tractors though. They keep my dealer in business and keep his bottom line in the black. I have absolutely no material use for them however. If I need to mow the lawn, I use a lawnmower not a wannabe tractor with a deck on it. Closest thing I have to a tractor lawn mower is my bat wing I chop fields with.

I think you’re being too hard on the little tractors. Just because they don’t earn a living doesn’t mean they aren’t useful tools. Without them most people would have little choice but to mow a half acre around their house and let the rest go to the wild. And have fun shoveling snow by hand and raking your gravel driveway by hand. Even if they don’t get a lot of hours per year there’s a ton of work to be done around rural or even not so rural properties with a tractor.

 

[5030]

Reminded me of one of the guy I worked with before I retired. Lived in a sub division and his neighbor bought a gas powered JD utility tractor so not to be outdone he went and bought a JD diesel compact and got all the 'attachments', most of which just took up space in his garage. I remember him crabbing about how difficult it was to mount and dismount the mower and how the backhoe was a PITA as well. Probably still has it and probably mows his sub division lawn with a push mower now.

I look at tractors as tools to perform a task, in my case farming. Not toys and not purchased to be 'one up' in a neighbor. In fact on the tractor scale, I'm towards the bottom but what I run does the job for me. Besides, they are paid for. Big plus with me. Bolsters my bottom line.

 

[JimR]

Reminded me of one of the guy I worked with before I retired. Lived in a sub division and his neighbor bought a gas powered JD utility tractor so not to be outdone he went and bought a JD diesel compact and got all the 'attachments', most of which just took up space in his garage. I remember him crabbing about how difficult it was to mount and dismount the mower and how the backhoe was a PITA as well. Probably still has it and probably mows his sub division lawn with a push mower now.

I look at tractors as tools to perform a task, in my case farming. Not toys and not purchased to be 'one up' in a neighbor. In fact on the tractor scale, I'm towards the bottom but what I run does the job for me. Besides, they are paid for. Big plus with me. Bolsters my bottom line.

I bought my NX4510HST to work with, not as a toy or a status symbol. I can't imagine someone buying something like this just to have around to impress or mow a lawn.

 

[RickB]

There’s no shortage of New Holland 20 series & TC’s and Kubota B and L series tractors around with 3000 plus hours. But it’s a little bit like the economics of using net wrap on round bales. If you view the world from a single perspective the vista is narrow and limited. This is not a one size fits all world.

 

[jk96]

Am I missing something on the 3,000 hours benchmark stated above? At 2100 cycles and regen every 20 -30 hours aren't we looking at 40,000 to 60,000 hours before cartridge replacement?

 

[RickB]

Am I missing something on the 3,000 hours benchmark stated above? At 2100 cycles and regen every 20 -30 hours aren't we looking at 40,000 to 60,000 hours before cartridge replacement?

I do not think you are missing a thing. I saw that but figured it was not worth my time to convince them otherwise. Even a 10 hour regen frequency invalidates all the claims.

 

[JimR]

I do not think you are missing a thing. I saw that but figured it was not worth my time to convince them otherwise. Even a 10 hour regen frequency invalidates all the claims.

Based on that info it should never have to be changed out. With 447 hours on my Kioti it was so plugged up that it had to be removed and cleaned out. A regeneration wouldn't clean it up and you couldn't see thru it. Mine has probably lost some of its life already. In the last 27 hours it has been plugged up so bad that it went into limp mode 3 times and back to the dealer each time under warranty.