Battery based electric vehicles of today and tomorrow.

[groundcover]

Thanks Gale, more or less looks like your charging costs would equate to a $6 dollar fill up for the gasser, haven’t seen that for a while !
Wonder how the state will come to terms with the fact that they are losing the $.30/gallon tax for road fuel, going to be an issue at some point.
Wish the pump gas would come up with a pricing scheme like the propane guys, I would pay half as much as a Prius because I use so much more !

 

[DarkBlack]

I'm sorry, but a four-door Mustang is just WRONG!!

A vehicle with 4 doors and electric drive vs gasoline is, what it is. Certainly not a Mustang.
I had no idea, new car names for new vehicles was so expensive that a car company would have to re-use an old name of a completely different vehicle.

Pretty pathetic actually.

 

[sd455dan]

A vehicle with 4 doors and electric drive vs gasoline is, what it is. Certainly not a Mustang.
I had no idea, new car names for new vehicles was so expensive that a car company would have to re-use an old name of a completely different vehicle.

Pretty pathetic actually.

I think that is why Ford may chose the E letter for the new electric,
Tesla wanted to use E and actually applied to the Patent and Trademark office- but Ford had filed application more than once since the early 2000's and then dropped the the rights.
Ford and Tesla came to an amicable resolution with Ford keeping the E trademark for a future model.

Have not found any news where the name Mustang has been confirmed to actually appear on the new SUV. I agree with everyone that thinks Ford should leave Mustang off of this new vehicle. Model E is fine.

 

[PILOON]

Electric vehicles are far from zero emissions. You致e got emissions for mining for the battery痴. You致e got emissions from electric generation. You致e got emissions from building the car itself. So if the tailpipe on a Diesel engine is long enough that you can稚 see it then it should be zero emissions too..

Add to that the fact that for every 'conversion' you have losses, 100% efficacy simply does not exist.
And do you believe there is less emissions from the fossil fuel power stations simply because you drive an electric car?
In all probability if we were all electric the emissions would greatly increase with only HYDRO generated power plants being ahead but then the 'do gooders' block just about any dam proposals put foreword.
The Colorado river has much capability but the hurdles are tremendous.

Heck up here in Canada they proposed a new power station but a Kennedy raised such a demonstration that the project was shelved.
(He wanted to enjoy rafting!)
Then the aboriginals want to fish the Colorado, so no dams.

 

[Gale Hawkins]

Thanks Gale, more or less looks like your charging costs would equate to a $6 dollar fill up for the gasser, haven’t seen that for a while !
Wonder how the state will come to terms with the fact that they are losing the $.30/gallon tax for road fuel, going to be an issue at some point.
Wish the pump gas would come up with a pricing scheme like the propane guys, I would pay half as much as a Prius because I use so much more !

Someone posted in their state it was about $60 to renew registration annually but $140 if it is an EV is still a great deal for EV owners that drive average annual distances.

Some states are still giving tax breaks for buying EV's but when new sales are 50% or more EV's expect EV's to get taxed more and more. Not only are the EV's lowering road tax collections but will reduce the need for gas tankers to be the roads. When 50% of new semi rigs are EV's tax laws on EV's are sure to change.

Tesla Semi electric trucks roll into Frito-Lay plant - FreightWaves

Anheuser-Busch charges into California electric truck demonstration race - FreightWaves
I did not know Warren Buffet was into electric semi's yet often he as proved to a fairly smart investor.

"BYD is the Shenzhen, China-based electric vehicle maker partly owned by MidAmerican Energy Co., a unit of Warren Buffett’s Berkshire-Hathaway Energy. It is testing cabover Class 8 electric trucks at the ports of San Diego, Long Beach, Los Angeles and Oakland, spokesman Jim Skeen said."

The earlier post about China made buses in use in France today is very telling in my view. China with the help of the likes of Warren Buffet and Tesla may own the world EV market 30 years from now when diesel power is down to 10% of the market.

FedEx Acquires 1, Chanje Electric Vehicles
Now we can get our Amazon orders of Chinese products delivered by electric trucks from China. Now someone must think that is cool but I bet they invest in China or work in China.

I spent about $1200 on products to make sure I can charge the Leaf different ways and places over the last week. 100% was bought through Amazon came from China. I did pay more because I went with the 40-80 amp versions because that is becoming standard charging demands of new EV's. While the Leaf can only draw 26 amps max it is just the first EV because over time I want three more EV's for family members.

 

[Gale Hawkins]

I think that is why Ford may chose the E letter for the new electric,
Tesla wanted to use E and actually applied to the Patent and Trademark office- but Ford had filed application more than once since the early 2000's and then dropped the the rights.
Ford and Tesla came to an amicable resolution with Ford keeping the E trademark for a future model.

Have not found any news where the name Mustang has been confirmed to actually appear on the new SUV. I agree with everyone that thinks Ford should leave Mustang off of this new vehicle. Model E is fine.

Plus Model E sounds much like Model 3 that is eating margins at the old line car makers. I think Ford and others may be having a knee jerk reaction after being asleep behind the wheel for 10 years while Nissan and Tesla were actually in the EV space and selling them to the public worldwide. The recent story how MB sales were down $22 million in Norway because the EV's in that country made up 40%+ of new car sales.

I think it was world wide but I read Telsa was reporting 22% of trade-ins where BMW or MB higher end cars.

 

[California]

... I spent about $1200 on products to make sure I can charge the Leaf different ways and places over the last week. ...

Here you go Gale. For the man who has everything. $100 on Ebay. Six available. What a deal!

(Nothing in the ad suggests that he understands it. His other offerings are a wide variety of random).

 

[Grumpycat]

Someone posted in their state it was about $60 to renew registration annually but $140 if it is an EV is still a great deal for EV owners that drive average annual distances.

In many states there is a $100/year surtax on EV registration. When raising road fuel taxes this past year Alabama imposed a $200/year EV tax. For gasoline parity that is 21,000 miles at 30 MPG.

I'm moving to Tennessee next year where I will need a tractor.

 

[Gale Hawkins]

Here you go Gale. For the man who has everything. $100 on Ebay. Six available. What a deal!

(Nothing in the ad suggests that he understands it. His other offerings are a wide variety of random).

California thanks so much. Now when my battery gets low I can just use this with my 120v charging cable to add more miles anywhere. I thought he/she would have mentioned J1772 so your take may be correct. Can an inverter work in both directions? A 16 amp 120 volt outlet would be cool if its output was in specs.

I know there was a seller of hardware in Europe to do whole house backup from the Leaf battery but it is not available any longer but I am not sure how it worked.

A Kill-A-Watt meter could verify the voltage and Hz.

There is another Ebay seller where it is $76.70 including taxes to the door.

 

[shooterdon]

I would not factor in the impact on the environment in my purchase decision. If there is a difference, I doubt it will amount to much...but I expect electric will be better.

Reliability, cost of repairs, cost of operation, servicing, and operating range are my drivers. I need heat in the winter and A/C in the summer. 100 miles a day with an overnight charge will suffice for 90% of my needs. I would always have two vehicles so a basic cheap EV would work for me. For most users, adding $10-15k to get a 400 mile range and 30 minute charge will be difficult to justify. On the handful of long trips most of us make, stopping at a gas station and filling up in 5 minutes is the preferred option. Use the ICE for that, and EV for daily running around.