Will a 14k dump trailer actually dump that much weight?

   / Will a 14k dump trailer actually dump that much weight?
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Most of them with scissor lifts will lift about a ton more than they are rated at. The biggest deal is do you have enough battery (heavier payload takes more power) and if is it loaded properly.

My Diamond C uses a six inch cylinder scissor lift (most use five inch). It has failed three times to lift the load enough to get it out. The first time the solenoid on the hydraulic pump crapped out. This was before I’d had the trailer a month. New solenoid and the second has never been a problem. The other two times were both slightly overweight, but the problem was it was all loaded in the front half of my 16’ trailer. The loader operator at the killings plant doesn’t understand trailers and always loads at the headboard. Good, for dump trucks trying to spread the load, bad for trailers, it doesn’t spread the load. Compounding the issue, where I was dumping it, the front of the trailer tongue is down I. The valley between my driveway and the street.

My trailer holds right at 5 tons, while staying legal. GVWR of 14,900. Trailer weight around 5,000 pounds, empty. It’s a 16’, which is rated the same as the 14’ trailers, but allows less payload due to more trailer weight. Five tons of gravel leaves about a foot of floor open on each end of the pile (front and back). In the middle of the trailer, the pile will fill about 2/3rds of the 24” sidewalls. Where people get in trouble is filling them up with heavy product. With dirt or gravel, fully loading the physical space will be two to three times the rated payload capacity-most hoists and pumps will leave you shoveling this.

Dump trucks run off a PTO, off a large engine. This gives them a lot more power than a typical dump trailer will have.

A good option, if you’re worried about battery power, is to get one with a small engine on the tongue. You start the engine, which powers the pump. These are stronger, but now you have another engine to maintain.


Yeah, weight vs volume will kill you every time. I've never seen one with a motor on the tongue. The ones I've found are all electric/hydraulic.
 
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I have a 16' 14K dump trailer and NO, it will not dump 14K. Max load for my trailer is just over 10K. It uses a single cylinder powered by a 12V motor driving the hydraulic pump. Power up and down. A local gravel pit overloaded me one time (just over 12K) and it would not dump. I had to use a jack and 4x4 to start raising the front of the trailer and hit the raise button for the cylinder to catch up with the height. When it was about 4' high the hydraulics did take over to dump the load. After that, I made sure to never have them load over 10K.
 

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I have a 16' 14K dump trailer and NO, it will not dump 14K. Max load for my trailer is just over 10K. It uses a single cylinder powered by a 12V motor driving the hydraulic pump. Power up and down. A local gravel pit overloaded me one time (just over 12K) and it would not dump. I had to use a jack and 4x4 to start raising the front of the trailer and hit the raise button for the cylinder to catch up with the height. When it was about 4' high the hydraulics did take over to dump the load. After that, I made sure to never have them load over 10K.

What brand is your trailer? I don’t recognize it.
 
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I have a 16' 14K dump trailer and NO, it will not dump 14K. Max load for my trailer is just over 10K.

Fair point, I worded my question poorly. I should have asked if they will dump the max load rating.
 
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A good option, if youæ±*e worried about battery power, is to get one with a small engine on the tongue. You start the engine, which powers the pump. These are stronger, but now you have another engine to maintain.

Use your log splitter engine and pump, modified for quick change of location.

Bruce
 
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My LAMAR 14k will lift and dump 6.25 ton with effort. I've had over 7 ton loaded and had to use tractor loader to relieve some of the load to be able to lift/dump. As a rule, I prefer 5 ton loads , but will take up to 6 ton on occasion. As stated before a fully charged battery will ensure the heavier loads will lift.
 
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crowbar032, the critical part of tipping ability is the sqare inch area of the cylinder(not the spear) and how far forward or back the ram is located. Further forward = more lift and longer expensive ram to get enough tip height, and further back = less lift and shorter cheaper ram.

Apart from the ability to tip the load the other important point is the tipping angle. Go for 55 degrees (excellent self cleaning)if you can as it is very frustrating trying to tip a load that is sticky and the tip angle is not quite enough. It is a lot less shovel work. Also allow for slightly nose down (front heavy effect)situations as they are more common than you think.
nikerret makes my point about cylinder size nicely.
good luck.
 
   / Will a 14k dump trailer actually dump that much weight?
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crowbar032, the critical part of tipping ability is the sqare inch area of the cylinder(not the spear) and how far forward or back the ram is located. Further forward = more lift and longer expensive ram to get enough tip height, and further back = less lift and shorter cheaper ram.

Apart from the ability to tip the load the other important point is the tipping angle. Go for 55 degrees (excellent self cleaning)if you can as it is very frustrating trying to tip a load that is sticky and the tip angle is not quite enough. It is a lot less shovel work. Also allow for slightly nose down (front heavy effect)situations as they are more common than you think.
nikerret makes my point about cylinder size nicely.
good luck.

Good info, thanks.
 

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