I can't believe they did it (part deux)

[Jstpssng]

Canned food can be more difficult to embezzle in large quantities than cash.

My neighbor wrote quarterly checks to the Shriners org until he heard that 8 cnets on the dollar went to the cause, and the rest went to clown suits, go-karts, and parades. Salvation Army has long been said the most efficient in turning donations into real help for those who need it.

Some of us would rather be more sure that our contributions don't disappear into pockets or cooked books. Our local food banks are not 'macro', and we like to help folks close to home. That reminds me, I have to go to Flint soon and sponsor my kids with the Old Newsboys group. Home | Old Newsboys of Flint Don't need to live there to help out.

Kids don't choose to be poor. Entitled attitudes and reluctance to pay taxes are role modeled by their parents and eventually by their peers. We're not all saints or sinners, and it's to our loss as a society to believe that too few are in-between those shoddy labels, or that we're as morally above the unfortunates as we are physically or financially better off.

If the middle class were to send the lower class 'back where they came from', guess who'd replace them on the bottom of the heap. Count you blessings, boys and girls. :2cents:

Edited: just I used PayPal to donate a hun to onbflint. It feels pretty good to have done so.

Well said, and one of the most unbiased, well thought out op-eds I’ve read in a long time. Sometimes I feel like there’s something wrong with me because I was raised to help out the less fortunate.

 

[MossRoad]

Yep, people should pay their taxes and follow the law. -No one is arguing otherwise.
Yep, owners get notified multiple times that taxes are due, that property is going to be seized to pay taxes; or they should investigate if they don't get a tax bill. - No one is arguing otherwise.

....but how does any of that change the fact that if the Gov't is owed $8.95, they confiscate $300,000, take their $8.95 and then steal the other $299,991.05?

The guy had 3 years to pay his taxes and reverse the foreclosure. Why don't we just let him jack around the system for a 4th year?

 

[goeduck]

The guy had 3 years to pay his taxes and reverse the foreclosure. Why don't we just let him jack around the system for a 4th year?

Nice dodge. His question was ....
....but how does any of that change the fact that if the Gov't is owed $8.95, they confiscate $300,000, take their $8.95 and then steal the other $299,991.05?

No one is defending his not paying the full amount of his taxes, able to answer whether or not he is stupid, whether he is able to understand what is going on or what. Maybe he has Alzheimers and no one to look after him. Is that jacking around the system? His short pay of a few bucks ($8.95) does not sound like he is jacking around the system. At the most the government should take what is due and give him back the $299,991.05. The government taking $299,991.05 off of this mans situation is socialism and we all ought to be worried about where this country is going. No two ways around it. Pure un-American.

 

[Diggin It]

Like I said, put a lien on the property, get what's owed out of sale proceeds. Garnish Income Tax returns, State and/or Federal. Since it's essentially a state debt, maybe even add it on to license plate renewals if under a certain amount.

Seizing property should only be the very last resort, and only when the outstanding debt is nearly equal to the property value.

 

[MossRoad]

Nice dodge. His question was ....
....but how does any of that change the fact that if the Gov't is owed $8.95, they confiscate $300,000, take their $8.95 and then steal the other $299,991.05?

No one is defending his not paying the full amount of his taxes, able to answer whether or not he is stupid, whether he is able to understand what is going on or what. Maybe he has Alzheimers and no one to look after him. Is that jacking around the system? His short pay of a few bucks ($8.95) does not sound like he is jacking around the system. At the most the government should take what is due and give him back the $299,991.05. The government taking $299,991.05 off of this mans situation is socialism and we all ought to be worried about where this country is going. No two ways around it. Pure un-American.

It's has nothing to do with a dodge of the question. We all know the rules. Or we should know the rules. Play by the rules or suffer the consequences. Don't like the rules? Work for change. But we have to play by the rules of the game until the rules are changed. Does it suck? Sure! Do I like it? No! Are those the rules? Yes. He didn't follow the law and lost is arse.

 

[the old grind]

Gov't hiding behind "we sent him a bill. If he didn't get it we'd rather have the value of the property than the $9." (the only? other option) The guy didn't have $300k handed to him for legal fees to recover that much. It was far from a $300k property when he bought it. Thanks for the perspective, Moss! (btw, you and Richard have shocked me with some of your comments lately )

Maybe this is just a logical trend, it makes sense to so many here. Going further, we could urge our legislators to enact a Federal law. Not to worry about back taxes, regardless of which kind of people who owe the IRS, they could just sign over their homes to catch up.

'Those people' are usually poor or cheats anyway, and don't pay gasoline or sales taxes either, right? (typical of some opinions expressed here) so they're losers anyway. Couldn't we be fighting for more tax breaks for those of us who aren't freeloaders? Give the bums a few kicks while they're down, and make an example of 'em. (?)

There's always 'another side' to judgement, usually all the facts we never learn without ever walking in that ___'s shoes. btw, I'll pay more in Fed income tax for 2019 than my gross income was for 2018. I paid in Fed tax for 2017, ~1/2 my gross income for 2016. Good years and bad, but because some of us have much more than the shirt on our back it's easy to find fault with those who don't.

btw, If you're offended by what I say, I think it's funny. Maybe that's why I'm happier than you. t o g

 

[ovrszd]

Gov't hiding behind "we sent him a bill. If he didn't get it we'd rather have the value of the property than the $9." (the only? other option) The guy didn't have $300k handed to him for legal fees to recover that much. It was far from a $300k property when he bought it. Thanks for the perspective, Moss! (btw, you and Richard have shocked me with some of your comments lately )

Maybe this is just a logical trend, it makes sense to so many here. Going further, we could urge our legislators to enact a Federal law. Not to worry about back taxes, regardless of which kind of people who owe the IRS, they could just sign over their homes to catch up.

'Those people' are usually poor or cheats anyway, and don't pay gasoline or sales taxes either, right? (typical of some opinions expressed here) so they're losers anyway. Couldn't we be fighting for more tax breaks for those of us who aren't freeloaders? Give the bums a few kicks while they're down, and make an example of 'em. (?)

There's always 'another side' to judgement, usually all the facts we never learn without ever walking in that ___'s shoes. btw, I'll pay more in Fed income tax for 2019 than my gross income was for 2018. I paid in Fed tax for 2017, ~1/2 my gross income for 2016. Good years and bad, but because some of us have much more than the shirt on our back it's easy to find fault with those who don't.

btw, If you're offended by what I say, I think it's funny. Maybe that's why I'm happier than you. t o g

Moss described this situation very well. Call it what you want. It's the law.

Did you read the 121 pages of delinquent properties? Which ones are poor simple people that just don't understand?

I'll try another example.

You sell me a car for $1000. I pay you $500 and quit paying. You repossess the car. You resell the car for $1000. Are you going to send me a check for the $500 I gave you?

As for shocking responses. It's common for us to be shocked by situations that are following the letter of the law. If we don't like that we should do something about it in regards to changing that particular law.

I remember a presidential debate where one candidate was being chastised about the amount of taxes he paid versus the other candidate. He said "maybe I'm smarter than her".

I don't pay one penny more taxes than I am required. I don't pay one penny less taxes than I am required. That's all that's required in our system.

 

[MossRoad]

Fight for change if you don't like it. I've done it. Zoning board. Tax assessor. County council. City council. I attend meetings. Voice my concerns to local and state politicians. But while you do that, you have to play by the rules and pay your taxes. That's the way it is. We all know it. Yet some choose to ignore those rules, thumb their noses at those rules, or maybe don't have the mental capacity to understand those rules and the consequences of their actions. The latter is the sad one, because people can lose a lot.

Nowhere did I say I am in favor of that guy losing so much for so little of a tax debt. What I said was that's the rules we all have to play by. Work for change if you don't like those rules.

Back during the depression, my grandparents almost lost their house over taxes. They were able to get out of it. But they passed along the importance of being able to cover your debts, proper bookkeeping, and consequences.

 

[ovrszd]

Fight for change if you don't like it. I've done it. Zoning board. Tax assessor. County council. City council. I attend meetings. Voice my concerns to local and state politicians. But while you do that, you have to play by the rules and pay your taxes. That's the way it is. We all know it. Yet some choose to ignore those rules, thumb their noses at those rules, or maybe don't have the mental capacity to understand those rules and the consequences of their actions. The latter is the sad one, because people can lose a lot.

Nowhere did I say I am in favor of that guy losing so much for so little of a tax debt. What I said was that's the rules we all have to play by. Work for change if you don't like those rules.

Back during the depression, my grandparents almost lost their house over taxes. They were able to get out of it. But they passed along the importance of being able to cover your debts, proper bookkeeping, and consequences.

A friend of mine's daughter built her dream house. Extravaganza at the highest level. The other day he said she's now struggling covering the operational costs. Probably going to have to get out. Bet she doesn't let it sell for taxes.

 

[MossRoad]

A friend of mine's daughter built her dream house. Extravaganza at the highest level. The other day he said she's now struggling covering the operational costs. Probably going to have to get out. Bet she doesn't let it sell for taxes.

We got talked out of building a big house by, of all people, the builder! He pointed out that while a 3000 sq ft house with 3.5 baths is nice, it'll take 3X longer to clean than our then current sub-1000' house, cost more the heat, cool, taxes, and, in 18-20 years, will be sounding like a mausoleum inside once the kids move out. So we thought about it, and bought a smaller, used home. Has served us well, and our taxes are about $500 per year.