Your last generator Maintenance Run

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I did not check the spark plug boot but will, thanks Dave. Such low hours don't believe it has ever been off.
And thanks Rob for the blanket statement of supremacy. I'll try your method also.
One of the reasons I spray into the foam filter is to not overdose the engine.

When I see what folks do on youtube I can understand why you have a concern, but remember please
that many tractor builders had an ether dispenser built into the tractors for many years.
On inexpensive small engines with design specs not meant to handle the volatility of ether/starting fluid sure
you'll have problems, because that's the general public. I think most of us know not to overuse starting fluid.

I believe I read that WD40 can be used also. Perhaps a squirt container with fresh gas would be best.
I'm using 93 octane non ethanol in everything.
waiting for it to warm up so I can try again.
My friends 40 year old JD backhoe is that way. No glow plugs, but it does have a port under the steering wheel to spray some ether in when turning the key. Works well actually. Given the machine is over 4 decades old, it doesnt seem to be that effective in killing it. No idea how many hours, but I dont think it's ever been rebuilt. Hoe pins have over 1/4" of slop in em.
 
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I did not check the spark plug boot but will, thanks Dave. Such low hours don't believe it has ever been off.
And thanks Rob for the blanket statement of supremacy. I'll try your method also.
One of the reasons I spray into the foam filter is to not overdose the engine.

When I see what folks do on youtube I can understand why you have a concern, but remember please
that many tractor builders had an ether dispenser built into the tractors for many years.
On inexpensive small engines with design specs not meant to handle the volatility of ether/starting fluid sure
you'll have problems, because that's the general public. I think most of us know not to overuse starting fluid.

I believe I read that WD40 can be used also. Perhaps a squirt container with fresh gas would be best.
I'm using 93 octane non ethanol in everything.
waiting for it to warm up so I can try again.

Obviously, many things that will work for testing carry huge flammability risk.

(Preaching to a fireman, I know :)).

Done in open-air (non-confined space), that's one thing I like about the propane approach - it can get the engine to at least cough/run, but is less likely to create external flames. One other thing I've seen used for this type of testing is Brake Cleaner - with 2 caveats - not all formulations of brake-cleaner spray work well, and it's highly flammable. The one thing that brake cleaner spray has going for it is that it's designed to evaporate quickly, slightly mitigating the flammability risk.

ALL of these techniques are risky. Judicious use of applied external fuels is key - overuse of most may just choke the engine, and can create major firestorms.

One thing working against us on these small engines is the carbs are mostly side-mounted. For testing automotive carbs (top-mounted), you can often get away with pouring small amounts (out of a tiny glass bottle, not a gas can !) down into the carb, while somebody else cranks. Carbs can backfire flames, so keep the fuel-source (and your head !) well out of the way if you ever have to do this...... And, for this approach, I have the air filter removed, as I don't want it saturated with gasoline.

That move ^ carries risk, but IMO, less than externally vapourizing gasoline.... that's a bit too close to flame-thrower territory for me :eek:.

Anybody even slightly uncomfortable with this type of testing shouldn't do it. If you do, I'd highly recommend doing it outside, on a large gravel or concrete area. Use at your own risk, I accept no responsibility if you burn a hole in your pavement, or burn your garage and/or house down.....

Not joking.... ask a fireman how many household fires start in the garage......

Rgds, D.
 
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d - in the spark area...... see if you can determine what Brand of spark-plug is in your Champion.

Can't say I know of a particular problem with Champion gens, but I do know that a lot of off-shore stuff is coming in with what I call PRC plugs (generic Chinese).

If I had a PRC one in a new law mower, I might leave it there (lawn-mower didn't start... Gee, what ever will I find to do on this sunny afternoon....).

I have a less relaxed attitude about generators not starting, and prefer to have a known-to-me brand in there..... Champion, NGK etc.

Rgds, D.
 
   / Your last generator Maintenance Run #3,524  
Growing up I was in charge of small engine maintenance from about age 14 on. Since they were all kind of junky I got used to sorting out starting problems. My routine was this order:
1. check for dry spark plug and snappy spark
2. make sure carb has fresh fuel
3. clean the air filter
that helped fix 99% of the starting problems.

Sometimes there was a mechanical problem - such as a broken valve spring keeper or valve spring - but that was very rare.
 
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My friends 40 year old JD backhoe is that way. No glow plugs, but it does have a port under the steering wheel to spray some ether in when turning the key. Works well actually. Given the machine is over 4 decades old, it doesnt seem to be that effective in killing it. No idea how many hours, but I dont think it's ever been rebuilt. Hoe pins have over 1/4" of slop in em.
I guess you guys think, if it works OK on a 40 year old backhoe, then it should be good for ANY engine!

Old engines were NOT built like these newer engines and for sure NOT like small engines...

But, I honestly don't care what anyone does with their own engines... Dealers have to sell parts to stay in business, so why not help them out?

SR
 
   / Your last generator Maintenance Run #3,526  
I guess you guys think, if it works OK on a 40 year old backhoe, then it should be good for ANY engine!

Old engines were NOT built like these newer engines and for sure NOT like small engines...

But, I honestly don't care what anyone does with their own engines... Dealers have to sell parts to stay in business, so why not help them out?

SR

I never said it works for everything by a long shot, just that some (really old) engines were actually designed for it. Ether works fine for some engines. But those were designed without glow plugs, grid heaters or other things that will cause an intake manifold explosion or fire. There is no way I'd use it on my modern Kubota with a DPF & pile of sensors.
 
   / Your last generator Maintenance Run #3,527  
I just did a semi annual gen maintenance run. Had to feed it gas with a windex spray bottle with gas while feathering the choke to keep it running long enough for newer gas to flush out the carb. I hate starting fluids

Runs good now:thumbsup:
 
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I just did a semi annual gen maintenance run. Had to feed it gas with a windex spray bottle with gas while feathering the choke to keep it running long enough for newer gas to flush out the carb. I hate starting fluids

Runs good now:thumbsup:

Sounds like you caught it just in time :thumbsup:

Rgds, D.
 
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Growing up I was in charge of small engine maintenance from about age 14 on. Since they were all kind of junky I got used to sorting out starting problems. My routine was this order:
1. check for dry spark plug and snappy spark
2. make sure carb has fresh fuel
3. clean the air filter
that helped fix 99% of the starting problems.

Sometimes there was a mechanical problem - such as a broken valve spring keeper or valve spring - but that was very rare.

d is an old hand at engines, so I'm sure he knows we are not talking specifically to him......

A wise-wrench I know (unfortunately, moved to the other end of the country now....) was good at reminding me "You're over-thinking this", when I needed to hear it.

I've posted this, likely here, but hopefully long enough ago that not everybody recalls it....... One of the regular writers for 4Wheeler years ago had built up a Scout II as a project with his daughter, so she could drive it to school. She came home one day, talking about it being down on power, and it definitely was.

Dad (Willie Worthy IIRC) starts digging in, checking ignition and all sorts of things. Timing cover off, checking chain for skips..... goes back in the house to take a break or look things up. Daughter comes in a few minutes later, and drops a plugged air filter on the table.

I like your list 48...... any reminder to stick to the basics first is valuable.

Rgds, D.
 

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