Your last generator Maintenance Run

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Wow...... just Wow...... many days I'm not sure I could muster that level of patience ur !

Unfortunately, the only real priority for some corporations is Follow Procedure ! Even if that means driving off a cliff.....

Esp. scary, considering life-safety equipment is involved.

Rgds, D.
 
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If you have people and managers that know systems and are devoted to things working properly, (beyond being paid for their devotion) problems can be averted and back-up plans can work. Failing that and left to automated systems, there isn't a hope in heck that things will ever work out properly.
 
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Being one little cog in a 60,000 employee organization is night and day when my world was counted in hundreds of employees.

The preferred vendor screwed up... the tech was on the engine side and recently transferred to standby power as the demand is very strong and growing in California... It was a mistake... That said it shows how problems are created where none existed.
 
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Well, I can see URs story from both sides and first and foremost there is absolutely no excuse for screwing up rotation when reconnecting after a load test. That’s generators 101... maybe 100. Many, if not most companies and authorities just don’t get the complexities of power generation and will put nearly anyone in a service truck. I’m fortunate to work for a company that requires extensive training and months of ride along experience for a power gen tech but there’s always one that can get through the system.

That said, there is great value in load bank testing at 100% load annually (as required by law on both sides of the border). Site load is usually between 30 and 60% and will mask many issues, especially cooling that would otherwise only show up on a long emergency run when options are limited. Load testing IS destructive testing and is meant to cause an impending failure in a controlled manner and with proper monitoring of the test the damage will be limited and repairable.

Poor system design like not having a dedicated load bank connection cause unnecessary risk in the time required to reconnect the generator if power fails (hours on a large unit) and wear and tear to breakers, lugs and cables (and risk of misconnection). A properly designed system will have a dedicated loadbank breaker that will automatically trip if the transfer switch operates.

As for fuel testing, it’s a valuable tool that has become a money grab by unqualified people like loadtesting. Most testing is visual looking for “clear and bright” which does nothing to prove the chemical qualities. Many fuel polishers will charge thousands (or 10s of thousands) to clean fuel that has broken down chemically and has lost BTU value. This fuel cannot produce required power a should be replaced as cleaning won’t help.

There is no place for automated testing in emergency systems. All testing should be done live by someone (like UR) who can recognize poor starting, rough running fail to transfer,
oil or coolant leaks etc. Automated systems can’t detect the majority of issues until an outright failure occurs. A full system test (black start) by shutting off all power should be done once a year on any critical system.

A transfer test should always be the last step in any maintenance or repair on an generator system and would’ve identified the misconnection while there was still someone on site.

I’ve worked on prime and standby systems from a few kW up to around 20MW and the most common excuse I’ve heard is “it’s too critical to risk a test”... My response has always been that every system, bar none, will fail at some point. If you test it 12 times a year when the power is on and have one outage per year you have 12:1 odds the failure will happen when power is still available. Your call.

Sorry for another long winded reply, I get carried away once I get started.
 
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I'm always learning and the truth is being stationary at one location since the dawn of time has helped tremendously.

Nearly 30 years of specifying, installation, maintenance and testing... at one location gives a certain insight.

Off topic... we have a very old Johnson Controls Energy Management program that has been in place since the day one... when the data file gets too large I have to cut and paste a replacement and all is good... this happens just about quarterly.

With the merger the corp IT guys were down to inventory systems... first thing is they had a problem with Windows 2000 NT... they calmed down when they realized it is physically not connected to the outside world...

The guys started poking around the program and said I had too many files and started deleting... I said no... stop... you can't do that!

They are the IT pros... I am not... just know how this program works and manages the building... nd it was also very expensive back in the day.

So the IT team starts deleting files and the program crashes... that was November and they have not been able to bring it back... even picked up the computer and no luck...

The IT solution now is a 30k upgrade... after all it was an old program?

For me the ability to remote diagnose problems was the real benefit... I could see if an area was calling for cooling and then see if cold air was being produced or look at the split from intake to supply...

Back on topic... did the New Years Day run by turning off the 1200 amp main breaker as is done once each year... no issues to report.

Hope to have my lab analysis for the diesel soon... we have very small tanks as this was all that was permitted by the Agency of Jurisdiction at the time... but it also keeps fuel from sitting around for years...
 
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Back to the micro end of the scale. Changed the oil in the 3500w Craftsman and the 2200w Honda. Both then started first pull and ran for a while. I have shifted to ethanol free with stabil. I think as long as I do monthly test runs I should not have to run the carburetors dry.

I got this gizmo for filling tanks. It runs on two D cells and has a sensor in the fill nozzle for automatic shutoff when the tank is full. It pumps fast too. I think I am finished with pouring 5 gal cans into funnels.
 

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Must be hard to find Ethanol free in California... I have come up short unless I want to order it in quarts or gallons.
 
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I found a gas station in Redwood Valley a couple miles off US101. They use a hand pump out of 55 gal drums. The manager says they go through 2-6 drums a week depending on the season. About $7 per gal.

The only other source I know of is a big generator and landscaping equipment shop in Sacramento that sells it in sealed 5 gal cans for $80.

It seems to me that marinas should be a source but haven't done any research. The Redwood Valley place is right on my way from Sacto to the north coast so no reason to look further.
 
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I found a gas station in Redwood Valley a couple miles off US101. They use a hand pump out of 55 gal drums. The manager says they go through 2-6 drums a week depending on the season. About $7 per gal.

The only other source I know of is a big generator and landscaping equipment shop in Sacramento that sells it in sealed 5 gal cans for $80.

It seems to me that marinas should be a source but haven't done any research. The Redwood Valley place is right on my way from Sacto to the north coast so no reason to look further.
holy crap. here its at the pump and about $0.60 more than unleaded regular.20191206_120733.jpg

also today i got diesel....it was $2.92 per gallon......its going down, but not enough. i miss the days of $0.89 diesel
 
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Looks like the going down is over with , drone strikes and cheap fuel don’t go together! Funny how it takes weeks for the price to go down but a butterfly farts in the Middle East and gas goes up ten cents the next day !
 

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