Auto Darkening Helmets. Is there a difference?

/ Auto Darkening Helmets. Is there a difference?
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#61  
I would like to explore that more but couldn't continue watching the video. Everything except what matters. Should be the saying for our times.
 
/ Auto Darkening Helmets. Is there a difference? #62  
I really like this Tweco auto dark helmet. It’s very comfortable and is my “go to “. Please keep in mind these days most of my projects do not require extended hood time. Taking the lid on and off a lot is required.

IIRC the helmet was $600 but included a free welder.

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Yep, I have one of those too. Great helmet for freebie!
 
/ Auto Darkening Helmets. Is there a difference?
  • Thread Starter
#63  
Maybe to back up for a moment. I have never used a fixed shade helmet. Would a fixed tinted piece of glass be as good as it gets optically? I mean, I really don't care at all, how clear the viewing is, when not welding. The issue for me is not being able to see the welding process clearly.
 
/ Auto Darkening Helmets. Is there a difference? #64  
I believe most use the same 'guts' with differences being the battery used and how it gets charged ,if in fact it is rechargeable.
Those I toyed with generally used a 3 volt lithium and have solar charging panel incorporated.

Welding ark will generate the rays to recharge the lithium cell if one is present.
For that reason I LEAVE MY HELMET FACING THE OPEN WINDOW WHEN NOT IN USE AS I am but a casual welder.

So far it has worked for me, and my $40. helmet is going on 4-5 years now but I generally burn a mere 2 boxes of rods/year.
 
/ Auto Darkening Helmets. Is there a difference?
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#65  
I have had my Speed Shade for a long time, rarely weld and it stays in the box, in a cabinet. Still works. Not sure how it gets it's power. It has solar cells that I thought powered it, but maybe they are for ARC sensing.
 
/ Auto Darkening Helmets. Is there a difference? #66  
I switched from Harbor Freight (which worked ok) to a Miller Digital Elite which is better in every way. I am am hobby welder not a pro but I’ve progressed enough to know that puddle control begins with seeing the puddle. I do mig, TIG and stick but mostly mild steel mig. I added a 2.0 magnifying lens which helps a lot.
 
/ Auto Darkening Helmets. Is there a difference? #67  
I switched from Harbor Freight (which worked ok) to a Miller Digital Elite which is better in every way. I am am hobby welder not a pro but I’ve progressed enough to know that puddle control begins with seeing the puddle. I do mig, TIG and stick but mostly mild steel mig. I added a 2.0 magnifying lens which helps a lot.
The Digital Elite is on my radar for an upgrade. Need to some comparison shopping with other brands with similar specs. I like the viewing area which apparently is about double my Miller Classic. The weight is only slight more than my 1lb helmet.
 
/ Auto Darkening Helmets. Is there a difference? #69  
Eric, no disrespect but that video was marketing genius/crap. 2.23minutes and mostly CGI (computer graphics imagery). A small amount of actual welding video and pretty much zero info other than the side by side comparison to... what?

I am a pretty much a believer of what you pay for but I want some good info on what helmet to upgrade to without breaking the bank.

Sigh. I couldn't find a video using Jackson's W70 lens in actual welding in HD. I'd make one myself, but I'd need to put a camera behind a W70 lens which is a PITA to set-up
 
/ Auto Darkening Helmets. Is there a difference? #70  
I have one of the Jackson large window hoods, really liked it - it's still "OK", other than having to replace the guts at around $300 once - then I bought one of these (because of a thread here)
Antra Welding Helmet Auto Darkening AH7-86- Huge Viewing Size 3.86X3.5" Wide Shade Range 4/5-9/9-13 Great for TIG MIG/MAG MMA Plasma, Grinding, Solar-Lithium Dual Power, 6+1 Extra Lens Covers: Amazon.com: Industrial & Scientific

I've only used it a couple times, but it's a LOT clearer than the Jackson, and I could buy FOUR of 'em for the cost of a new cartridge for the Jackson. It's nice to have a second hood (#1 grandson things so too :thumbsup:

Guess what's gonna happen to the Jackson the next time it craps out :rolleyes: ... Steve

Have you got the W70 lens (truesight II)?
 
/ Auto Darkening Helmets. Is there a difference? #71  
Eric, I'd have to check (probably later today) - but I bought the jackson back in about 2010 (recommendation from one of the millwrights on my crew, couple years before I retired) - so if the W70 lens is newer than that, probably not. Lens imparts a kind of gold-hued effect if that helps... Steve

(Besides, now that those huge OT checks have stopped, I need to "pick my battles", and the diff between $300+ hoods and a good-working $75 hood = 6 or 7 more annular cutters :=)
 
/ Auto Darkening Helmets. Is there a difference? #72  
Most TBN folks really wont see any difference in Helmets used only occasionally. I gave my American Optical gold lens with the blue filter plate that I used when I welded professionally to a friend who is a professional pipe welder also. He also uses a auto-dark lens but I forgot to ask him what brand he uses. He did agree that the AO gold lens is the best for weld puddle clarity and provides the best level of reduced eye strain available.
Now that I only weld occasionally, the HF works just fine for my uses. The headgear is just as comfortable as any other hood on the market especially when the padded brow pad is used. Over the nearly half century (1967 start) of using welding equipment professionally, I have used just about everything on the market, ie. Jackson, FibreMetal, Hobart (Hobart pipeliner was always my favorite for non-auto-dark hoods). I didn't find $1 of difference in any of the headgear used and most required a front brow pad to make them comfortable to use in 8-10 hour days of welding.
Fortunately I moved into supervision/management before I ever had to weld with the hardhat insert which is impossible to make for a comfortable welding headgear. I do still have one that I used when I taught welding at Long Beach City College in California. It was ok for just standing and watching but not much else. One had to crank down so tight on the headband to keep it from falling sideways when you leaned over that it would give me an instant headache.

When I welded using my Hobart Pipeliner, the first thing all us pipe welders did was cut out the ratchet on the headline, take a hot welding rod and burn a hole on each side(after cutting out all the ratchet part) and insert a piece of surgical tubing that was easily adjusted for comfort and it really stuck to the welding cap so it didn't slide around like the slick plastic headband.

Anyway to sum up my experience, if a person feels that he needs a $350 welding helmet for eye protection and can afford it, then they should just buy it. For me, it really makes no sense to spend that kind of money for a helmet that only gets a few minutes of use in a week or month.
 
/ Auto Darkening Helmets. Is there a difference? #73  
Eric, no disrespect but that video was marketing genius/crap. 2.23minutes and mostly CGI (computer graphics imagery). A small amount of actual welding video and pretty much zero info other than the side by side comparison to... what?

I am a pretty much a believer of what you pay for but I want some good info on what helmet to upgrade to without breaking the bank.

The blue lens color is likely just trying to copy the 1960s version of the American Optical Gold lens blue filter. The blue color is best for filtering out the welding smoke from the liquid weld puddle and for ease of eye strain. Much better than the green that all the other filter plates used. As I understand it American Optical quit making the blue filter because of the chemical used to make the glass blue became unavailable. It looks like this Jackson hood's filter plate is green but then electronically turns blue when welding starts. This hood might be worth the cost for a 10 hour per day user who makes $40 an hour.
 
/ Auto Darkening Helmets. Is there a difference?
  • Thread Starter
#74  
I don't see that amount of welding has anything to do with being able to see or not. I can't see what I'm doing whether I am doing a tiny job or a big project. So, I need to do something to correct this and if it costs, unfortunately, that's just the price of being able to see given my eyesight. Or, just throw in the towel.
 
/ Auto Darkening Helmets. Is there a difference? #75  
Since there isn't a good video, I may try to do the fiddle-factor of mounting a GoPro 8 behind a Jackson W70 lens on an active weld this coming summer to display the clarity on my YouTube channel.
 
/ Auto Darkening Helmets. Is there a difference? #77  
Lincoln helmet is brand new while Kobalt is 4 years old. Taken with cell phone

Lincoln Viking
 
/ Auto Darkening Helmets. Is there a difference? #78  
Kobalt
 
/ Auto Darkening Helmets. Is there a difference? #79  

These are good at showing the color and getting welds on camera is fiddly on the set-up. Too bad the autofocus messed up when you scratch start. Do you have a manual app for your cell phone camera? If so, turn off autofocus, but leave everything else automatic.
 
/ Auto Darkening Helmets. Is there a difference? #80  
I just picked up these two cheap no name AD helmets today.

They both work great although I will need to fiddle with the shade adjustment on the red one when I have time.

So far I have only cleaned and disinfected them before trying.

Also can’t attest to headgear comfort but they both sat on my normal sized noggin okay.

Adjustments.jpg

I paid ten dollars for the two.
 

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