LS XG3135 or XG3037?

[DCF71]

Which engine would you buy? Dealer said the 3037 would be 1K cheaper so is the LS engine that much better with longer intervals between the regen cycles?

 

[George2615]

Welcome to TBN..............

I have the XR3037HC with the Shibaura engine. 5 hour regen cycles don't bother me at all. The Shibaura engines has been around for quite a while. The same engine is used in MF and NH tractors and probably a few more brands. I went with the XR due to more standard features and I wanted a nice heated cab for plowing snow. The 3037 is probably less because its an older model. I'm not sure if they have continued to make the 3037 or just selling old stock.
Either model will work fine. Haven't heard anything bad about either.

 

[e-wa]

I have the XG3135 and love the tractor. Cannot compare it to the 3037, it wasn't a option for me when I bought before Christmas 2017.

 

[jdom84]

I believe the xg3037 is mechanical injected so if you ever want to take off all the computer/emissions crap.... its at least possible and there is a guy who has done it on the forum.

The xg3135/40 is direct injected full computer controlled and can never run with out its computer or emissions crap, and It is turbo charged. My dealer told me it is only $1000 more for the 3140. More HP and more lift, so it might be a better option.

 

[vtdrive12]

I have a new, 2018, XR3135coming within a week. I was considering the xg3037, the dealer indicated it was the closest model to the new Holland workmaster 35, which was another model I was considering. I found the difference in price between the 3135 and 3037 to be approximately 1400 dollars. Features on the 3135, if you added them to the 3037, would've actually exceeded the price of the 3135. I decided not to go with the workmaster 35, as it was approximately $4000 more than the 3135 factoring in all the standard features on the LS.

 

[CLEE1052]

3140 GO WITH HANDS DOWN...

 

[Waynebob126]

I have an XG3037 with 30hrs on it. I have no issues with the regen cycle. I do believe that the 3037 is no longer being produced? The tractor works for me and my hobby farm. So far, it’s done what I need it to do. 3rd function valve kit and 60” root rake grapple on the way.

 

[alexsbuddy]

Ditto on the XG3037. Have 350 hrs on mine and it has performed flawlessly. Absolutely love it and 5 hr regen is not an issue...has not interfered with my work at all.

 

[peteandsons]

Which engine would you buy? Dealer said the 3037 would be 1K cheaper so is the LS engine that much better with longer intervals between the regen cycles?

I'm sure you bought a tractor by now, but I just wanted to reply for others who see this.

I'm a mechanic for a LS dealer and in my opinion I prefer the new LS engines over the older Shibarua engines. The LS engines regen a LOT less because they were designed from the ground up to be a tier 4 final engine. The Shibarua is a old mechanical tier 3 engine that was converted to tier 4 interim. I find that the LS engines are more reliable (especially later years as they worked the bugs out) and more powerful.

If you live at higher elevations I definitely recommend the newer LS engines because the computer will adjust the timing for the elevation that your at since it is a common rail system. The other engines have to have the injection pump shimmed, and have more regen issues at elevation due to less air from what I under from other dealer techs. We sold a tractor to a guy a XR4046C at about 6000 feet and ended up trading it for a XR4145C because the XR4046C had no power at all at that elevation.

I doubt their are any new older tractors at dealers anymore, but if there is I would still with the newer ones. If you get a smoking deal on a used one I guess it is ok. But go with the new style if you go new.

 

[LS Tractor Owner]

I'm sure you bought a tractor by now, but I just wanted to reply for others who see this.

I'm a mechanic for a LS dealer and in my opinion I prefer the new LS engines over the older Shibarua engines. The LS engines regen a LOT less because they were designed from the ground up to be a tier 4 final engine. The Shibarua is a old mechanical tier 3 engine that was converted to tier 4 interim. I find that the LS engines are more reliable (especially later years as they worked the bugs out) and more powerful.

If you live at higher elevations I definitely recommend the newer LS engines because the computer will adjust the timing for the elevation that your at since it is a common rail system. The other engines have to have the injection pump shimmed, and have more regen issues at elevation due to less air from what I under from other dealer techs. We sold a tractor to a guy a XR4046C at about 6000 feet and ended up trading it for a XR4145C because the XR4046C had no power at all at that elevation.

I doubt their are any new older tractors at dealers anymore, but if there is I would still with the newer ones. If you get a smoking deal on a used one I guess it is ok. But go with the new style if you go new.

Not a question pertaining to this thread, but I have had different answers from different dealers about the difference between a late 2019 XG3025 and early MT225E. One dealer said there were no difference in the engine (Mitsubishi). Another dealer said the injection timing was different and it was computer controlled. I have not been able to get any info off the internet. What would you say about the differences. Thanks for your thoughts!

 

[Walter L]

Jdom from everything i can see in my research is the XG3140 has the same frame same weight same engine (only a computer update fo extra hp) same turbo as the XG3135 but it does have a different larger FEL so i feel that $1000 for a larger FEL and computer program is a bit to high for me.

 

[peteandsons]

The differences between the XG3025 and the new MT225E series is the MT2 comes with a cup holder, and the throttle is electronically controlled. The reason they did that is for European, and upcoming US, emission standards. With the mechanical throttle you get a puff of black smoke when you hit the throttle because there isn't enough air in the engine yet to burn all the fuel. All the electronic throttle does is slow the rev up to help reduce that. It's just like the snap test on the 6.4L PowerStrokes.

Other than these differences there really isn't anything significantly different. LS just really desperate for a nomenclature change.

 

[LS Tractor Owner]

The differences between the XG3025 and the new MT225E series is the MT2 comes with a cup holder, and the throttle is electronically controlled. The reason they did that is for European, and upcoming US, emission standards. With the mechanical throttle you get a puff of black smoke when you hit the throttle because there isn't enough air in the engine yet to burn all the fuel. All the electronic throttle does is slow the rev up to help reduce that. It's just like the snap test on the 6.4L PowerStrokes.

Other than these differences there really isn't anything significantly different. LS just really desperate for a nomenclature change.

Thanks for the reply / info. My 3025 actually came with the same cup holder as the 225, also the 3300 loader. It was one of the last 3025s produced.

 

[Racenut]

Thanks for the reply / info. My 3025 actually came with the same cup holder as the 225, also the 3300 loader. It was one of the last 3025s produced.

Can you tell if it's also got the electronic throttle? Maybe its totally updated and just the hood decal is the difference.

 

[LS Tractor Owner]

Definitely not electronic. Full mechanical lever / cables to the injection pump. Only electric on it is for the fuel shutoff solenoid. When I was buying, I could have gotten the new MT225E for $500 less than the XG. My dealer told me about the “ electronics “ and I immediately decided on getting the XG.

 

[chas0218]

When I talked to dealers they said there was also a frame change, you can tell they changed things by looking under the floor boards. My MT235e is different than the XG 3035 shuttle. Not saying it is any better or worse than the 3035, I have 40 hours now on the clock of the MT235e and it is running great and has a ton of power. I will say the AG tires do tear up real estate when turning tight or with a load in the bucket. I will say though I have been up to the chassis in mud (clay) and didn't get stuck.

 

[peteandsons]

Walter, yes the only difference between the XG3135 and the XG3140, and the even the XR4100 series tractors, is the ECU software as far as the engines go. They are all a 1.9L 3-cylinder diesel engine. You could take a ECU out of a XR4155 and put it into a XG3135 and make it 55 hp (doesn't mean the trans can handle it though).

But with the new MT2 series the MT230E and the MT235E do not have a turbo. The 40-55 hp engines are the same as in the past.

The engine in the XU6100 and MT5 series is pretty much the same thing but instead it's a 2.5L 4 cylinders instead of 1.9L 3 cylinder. Most parts are interchangeable with is really nice for stocking parts.

And the loader is different between the XG3135 and the XG3140 to raise the lifting capacity from 1700 to 2100 pounds. If I had to guess I would assume they might of just raised the pressures a bit in the loader valve to do that. Or a slightly bigger cylinder.

 

[Walter L]

Walter, yes the only difference between the XG3135 and the XG3140, and the even the XR4100 series tractors, is the ECU software as far as the engines go. They are all a 1.9L 3-cylinder diesel engine. You could take a ECU out of a XR4155 and put it into a XG3135 and make it 55 hp (doesn't mean the trans can handle it though).

But with the new MT2 series the MT230E and the MT235E do not have a turbo. The 40-55 hp engines are the same as in the past.

The engine in the XU6100 and MT5 series is pretty much the same thing but instead it's a 2.5L 4 cylinders instead of 1.9L 3 cylinder. Most parts are interchangeable with is really nice for stocking parts.

And the loader is different between the XG3135 and the XG3140 to raise the lifting capacity from 1700 to 2100 pounds. If I had to guess I would assume they might of just raised the pressures a bit in the loader valve to do that. Or a slightly bigger cylinder.

Yes Pete and thanks for the info on the new MT series i thought the engine info L3C19-D2 might mean no turbo but was not sure, i think if you checked you would see that the 4100 series tractors have a different and a heavier duty frame. The XG i have does every thing i need at my advance age, the only thing i dislike about the engine in my tractor is having to idle it after hard use 3 to 5 minutes. My son is supposed to install a timer switch so i can cut the switch to the off position and the timer would shut the engine off at the set time.

 

[peteandsons]

Unless the tractor was in a regen (where exhaust temp is around 1100 F) I usually don't idle it down for that long. Usually about a minute or two. In normal use the exhaust temps shouldn't be that high. Especially if you take it easy the last few minutes of use (eg driving it to the barn).

I don't know what RPMs the turbo spins on these tractors, but on my Kenworth truck with a Paccar (aka Cummins) it has a speed sensor for the turbo and it runs up to 120,000 RPMs. My main concern is letting the engine idle long enough to get that turbo spinning as slow as possible before cutting the oil supply off to it when you shut the engine down. I've seen turbos spinning for about 30-45 seconds after the engine is off, and that is all without oil flow. Another reason a good oil should be used.




And the XR4100 series is just a larger tractor than the XG3100 series. So, yes, the frame is bigger and stronger.

 

[Walter L]

Pete with heavy use we need to idle the engine 3to 5 minutes to cool the turbo down-to keep from cooking the oil and turning it to ash or sometime called (spelling) coke , this will damage the bearings in turbo. I dont know how hot the exhaust manifold and turbo gets On the tractor but i would guess over 1200 deg when working it hard, i know my Cummins engine in my Coach (ISC) can get close to 1300 deg on a long pull up hills, i always idle the engine in the coach 3 to 5 minutes and the same with the LS tractor.