hi all. I have some good news and bad news. I think I found the problem. my tractor is older like 92 back then "they had no lift pump see post 23" it was gravity feed to the injector pump. we all know kioti had some problems with the injection pumps. I think this is why the newer models had the lift pump. I think the injector pump just got old and tired like me and could not pull the prime it needed with a gravity feed. today I picked up a lift pump and installed it, runs like a champ now not sure how long this will last I will have to get a new or rebuilt i.p. I have 1 source that might be able to rebuild it they have not called back yet. btw we run a 922 cat "older than dirt" 580 e case backhoe bd2g dozer, and never had a problem with the injector pumps. I did not have access to a pressure tester for i.p. so had to do it old school way. I thank all out there who gave there support, input, and advise it is much appreciated! I hope this thread will help someone else, and save them some time troubleshooting.