Two Homes Off of One Well Pump

[Pettrix]

Sorry, I won't help you anymore then. Just fixed a few hundred thousand problems like this in the last fifty years as a well driller/pump guy, and now I sell a valve that solves most problems. I thought you were asking questions because you wanted advice from someone with experience. My bad!

It's like a Chevy salesman giving advice and stating, "Ford's suck, buy a Chevy because I sell them and make money each time I sell a Chevy".

How is that unbiased advice? Of course it's biased. You make money $$ each time a cycle stop valve is sold.

 

[Valveman]

It's like a Chevy salesman giving advice and stating, "Ford's suck, buy a Chevy because I sell them and make money each time I sell a Chevy".

How is that unbiased advice? Of course it's biased. You make money $$ each time a cycle stop valve is sold.

With all due respect it is more like having someone who worked in the Chevy factory for 25 years and the Ford Factory for another 25 years giving advice on which is best. I spent many years with VFD's. Solving those problems is what lead me to CSV's.

I could make a lot more money selling VFD's than CSV's, but I am not the kind of guy who would do that to you.

 

[LouNY]

as long as it's legal where you are.. the local jurisdiction might think ahead, no one lives forever, and they might consider the eventual new owners problem with getting water..

I wouldn't bother telling them the well was shared, it's NONE of their business.
The well can be shown or described with out mentioning anything else.

 

[PILOON]

Appreciate the info but I don't appreciate using my thread as an advertisement for the product you sell and profit off of. Quite apparent you have a dog in this fight as the product you sell and make money on is what you would recommend. Just please don't use my thread as "free advertising" for your product.

You can contact the website moderator and pay for advertising to sell your product. Just don't use my thread to market it.

I don't recall anybody advertising any product but then I'm possibly myopic.

 

[pmsmechanic]

Appreciate the info but I don't appreciate using my thread as an advertisement for the product you sell and profit off of. Quite apparent you have a dog in this fight as the product you sell and make money on is what you would recommend. Just please don't use my thread as "free advertising" for your product.

You can contact the website moderator and pay for advertising to sell your product. Just don't use my thread to market it.

Well I for one appreciate his free advice. And maybe you need to rethink your words as TBN sells advertising to pay it's way. (At least I'm assuming that's what it's for.) Your thread is being used to attract "consumers" who hopefully will read and respond to the advertising. If you don't want your thread to be "used" then you need to consider moving your thread to a different forum.

Just to be candid here I'm not saying this to be snarky. I just think that what you are saying doesn't really add up.

Mods: If I'm out of line here I don't have a problem with you deleting this.

 

[aczlan]

I don't recall anybody advertising any product but then I'm possibly myopic.

Valveman invented, makes and sells the cycle stop valve.

Aaron Z

 

[Egon]

To me it seems this is a perfectly straight forward system that seems to get over complicated. A simple on off pressure switch and properly sized bladder tank have been successfully used for years.

If check valves hold there should be no water hammer. Just a little added line resistance at each valve.

 

[Valveman]

Valveman invented, makes and sells the cycle stop valve.

Aaron Z

Hence the name Valveman. After many decades of working on pumps and VFD's the Cycle Stop Valve was invented to solve all the problems associated with big pressure tanks, VFD's, and pumps. Solving problems is what the CSV does, and why I recommend them to people with pump system problems. I could make a lot more money selling VFD's and am perfectly qualified to do so, but I recommend an inexpensive CSV because that is what solves the problems. It is great to hear from neighbors or someone on a forum who has had a pump or two before. With 50+ years experience, several patents, and hundreds of thousands of installations, I should be charging for advice, and do charge many engineers. But I give it away freely here, and even put up with the insults. I know people don't like being corrected, and I am always correcting them. So, I understand the negativity. Funny thing, a lot of these people become my good friend and customer when they finally realize I know what I am talking about.

 

[Valveman]

To me it seems this is a perfectly straight forward system that seems to get over complicated. A simple on off pressure switch and properly sized bladder tank have been successfully used for years.

If check valves hold there should be no water hammer. Just a little added line resistance at each valve.

Having more than one check valve is a major cause of water hammer. But you are exactly right about the old pressure tank/pressure switch system being very successful for as long as I can remember. The only problem with the old pressure tank system was the problems caused by cycling the pump on and off repeatedly. Adding a simple Cycle Stop Valve to the old dependable pressure tank/pressure switch systems solves those problems and makes the old tried and true system even more dependable. Nearly every problem associated with the old pressure tank systems is solved when you eliminate the cycling.

 

[CobyRupert]

My understanding of the CSV is it stops the pump from cycling (turning on-off-on) during specific usage situations where the usage (draw down) flow duration is longer than the normal pump cycle duration. Thus it stops the pump from turning off/on several times when water is constantly being drawn. Which is good.

(IMHO) Depending on your ballast tank size, for most usage like flushing a toilet, brushing your teeth, washing hands, filling a pan of water, the short duration of your draw doesn't cause your pump to repeatedly cycle and I don't see the benefit of a CSV.
Don't get me wrong, there's long duration draw down applications where a CSV makes sense, but it does sometimes seem like its promoted here by its inventor as a solution to any post regarding well pumps. That's my impression.
I don't have a problem with Valveman, his forum name lets you know where here's coming from.

It does remind me of being at a horse once show with my wife watching our daughter ride. A nice lady next to me started talking about how nervous she was watching her daughter...we were nervous too...a pretty lady, a nice friendly conversation, then she mentioned the thing that calmed her nerves was Lavender Essential Oils. How they made her sleep well, gave her focus, relieved soreness (might of cured cancer too!)..okay...that's interesting...blah blah blah...and then she just happened to have some extra bottles for sale...."and oh by the way......what's your email so I can get you on the mailing list for the whole product line of Essential Oils." or maybe she gave us a business card with the weblink.

Then I thought to myself "Oh, that's what this "friendly conversation" is about...ok, uh-huh"
The whole encounter felt.....what's the word?