China Corona Virus #2

[sd455dan]

1st case in America ? state of California

"At this time, the patient exposure is unknown,'' the CDC said in a statement. "It is possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States.
Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It is also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.''

 

[California]

1st case in America ? state of California

"At this time, the patient exposure is unknown,'' the CDC said in a statement. "It is possible this could be an instance of community spread of COVID-19, which would be the first time this has happened in the United States.
Community spread means spread of an illness for which the source of infection is unknown. It is also possible, however, that the patient may have been exposed to a returned traveler who was infected.''

I think extremely likely by contact from a returned traveler, perhaps just by standing adjacent in the grocery store, etc.

I worry about my younger daughter and her husband. She works in SF, he mostly telecommutes to a tech giant in Silicon Valley 30 miles south. They bought a condo a mile from SF airport as a compromise. In a neighborhood that is becoming heavily Chinese, not so much the Chinese-Americans who have always lived here and are real Americans, but rather modern wealthy citizens of China who are moving their wealth out of China into buying real estate around SF. I wonder how often Chinese investors travel back and forth from China.

 

[dragoneggs]

Last updated: February 8, 2020, 6:00 ET
Global Totals: Cases=37,155 Deaths=806 Recovered=2,634

Last updated: February 13, 2020, 11:00 AM ET
Global Totals: Cases=60,414 Deaths=1370 Recovered=6,295

Last updated: February 18, 2020, 6:02 PM ET
Global Totals: Cases=75,134 Deaths=2,007 Recovered=14,442

Last updated: February 23, 2020, 12:25 AM ET
Global Totals: Cases=78,993 Deaths=2,470 Recovered=23,419

Last updated: February 26, 2020, 11:00 AM ET
Global Totals: Cases=81,280 Deaths=2,770 Recovered=30,358

Worldometer

I wasn't expecting an update until the 28th. :confused3:

 

[JasperFrank]

Maybe we are thinking to much in side the box. Or maybe we should be thinking in side the box. So may things come from china now, and maybe it doesn't need a human host for a bit. Like maybe it can persist on a surface long enough to still be transmittable. And since we now have almost instant shipping, a whole new vector is open. Nah! that would be crazy thinking ...

 

[txdon]

I just gat back from a cruise from Texas to Mexico. All Ok.
However we were asked before we boarded several questions about out health, and people we have been exposed to. No temp was taken. I did not hear anyone cough or display signs of the flu the whole cruise. Going on-shore in several Mexican ports I saw no extra screening. There were a little over 3000 on board.

My SIL receives a free yearly cruise given by the company she works for and last night the company canceled their Spring giveaway cruise because of the virus scare.

 

[CobyRupert]

I see this as just another "flu" season with a different strain. Without the statistics, I imagine the number of people world wide that get some flu bug that is going around is about the same every year and the death rate varies too, from year to year.

I do agree that this whole subject has political ramifications that should not be ignored. A Communist country has a dictator answer to health issues. ... be it ordinary health care or sterilization (for example), or incarceration of sorts.
Cheers,
Mike.

It's not like the flu, although it spreads similar.
Yes, flu kills 10's of thousands a year, but 10's of millions catch flu too.
My understanding is flu kills .1% (or about 1 in a 1000), usually the old and weak.

My understanding is corona virus kills about 2%-3%, although the data is unconfirmed/unestablished and perhaps changing. Let's hope this is wrong. Reeke's numbers above seem to confirm this, but the data is sketchy. That's 20-30 times more lethal than the flu. It's not like the flu.

That would mean in a city of 100,000, 2000 to 3000 would die just in that city if everybody catches it. In my small town of (say) 2600 people 52-78 would die. In a city of 1 million...

I hear on the radio, and it was being promoted as good news, that 80% of the people who get the virus DON'T have to go to the hospital. ....but that mean 20% do. ...again, back to the city of 100,000....there aren't enough beds and respirators.

Again, let's hope the numbers are wrong. Let's hope the virus weakens as it spreads. Let's hope everybody doesn't catch it.

Maybe we are thinking to much in side the box. Or maybe we should be thinking in side the box. So may things come from china now, and maybe it doesn't need a human host for a bit. Like maybe it can persist on a surface long enough to still be transmittable. And since we now have almost instant shipping, a whole new vector is open. Nah! that would be crazy thinking ...

There is no evidence and it would be very very unlikely for a virus to survive on the surface of something shipped into the country.
That being said, the other day a coworkers was in the office having fun popping bubble wrap. "Hey don't do that! You're releasing all that China air!"
-Though it probably wasn't made in China

 

[mjarrels]

We plan to go back to the Philippines for Christmas and new years this year but plans are on hold now. Flights go thru Soul Korea which a major hub for Asian travel.

mark

 

[Ford850]

It would be nice to see some real test results to know how long this virus survives on various surfaces and at what temperatures. Also, what types of disinfectants can be used and do they kill on contact. Lots of speculation and internet experts spreading information, but I haven't seen facts.
If, for example, the droplets from a cough or sneeze can survive on hard surfaces for a few hours... A single cough onto a shopping cart could spread to numerous families within a couple hours since carts are typically used 'last in, first out' by shoppers. Think of how many other ways similar to this that "non contact" could spread the virus very fast. Gas pumps, elevator buttons, door handles, vending machines, restroom faucet handles, grocery or quickie mart cooler doors, etc etc.

 

[Bocephous]

It would be nice to see some real test results to know how long this virus survives on various surfaces and at what temperatures. Also, what types of disinfectants can be used and do they kill on contact. Lots of speculation and internet experts spreading information, but I haven't seen facts.
If, for example, the droplets from a cough or sneeze can survive on hard surfaces for a few hours... A single cough onto a shopping cart could spread to numerous families within a couple hours since carts are typically used 'last in, first out' by shoppers. Think of how many other ways similar to this that "non contact" could spread the virus very fast. Gas pumps, elevator buttons, door handles, vending machines, restroom faucet handles, grocery or quickie mart cooler doors, etc etc.

Might be a good idea to keep a box of disposable gloves in your vehicle for times when you have to fill your vehicle up. I keep a set of Atlas fit gloves in my car for that purpose and disinfect them with Lysol regularly.

 

[ovrszd]

Maybe we are thinking to much in side the box. Or maybe we should be thinking in side the box. So may things come from china now, and maybe it doesn't need a human host for a bit. Like maybe it can persist on a surface long enough to still be transmittable. And since we now have almost instant shipping, a whole new vector is open. Nah! that would be crazy thinking ...

My wife ordered a cloth item online. It depart China on a plane 16 Feb. It will arrive today thru USPS.

Hmmmmm.....