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HOW do you file the rakers on that :censored: safety chain? I try to avoid them, the only way I"ve found that works was with a new disc on my angle grinder.

What brand/mode chain? Can't say I notice a difference on the safety chains I have come across -- you're just filing material off two plates instead of one. Along the flat of the bar, the safety rakers are stowed and should be tucked into the profile of the cutting rakers. So when you run a file across the pair, you're taking material off both with the same swipe.

I have seen some safety chain with an additional "raker" on the drive link between cutter -- not even sure I'd call it a raker. Those don't need to be filed because they shouldn't be affecting the depth of cut along the flat of the bar.
 
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Here watch this video, he discusses the rakers at about the 15 minute mark, does a good job of explaining it. Works well for me!

How To Sharpen A Chainsaw Properly - Video - YouTube

That's one of the better sharpening videos out there. The only thing I do differently is use a progressive depth gauge guide, rather than the one he uses. A progressive guide makes the chain FAR less sensitive to having different length cutters, so I can just file each one until it's sharp, rather than worrying about keeping them all the same length (something he doesn't seem to worried about anyway). I do still occasionally eyeball things to make sure I'm not getting a severe difference between the left side an the right side cutters, but the tolerance for mismatched cutters is much great with a progressive guide.
 
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That's one of the better sharpening videos out there. The only thing I do differently is use a progressive depth gauge guide, rather than the one he uses. A progressive guide makes the chain FAR less sensitive to having different length cutters, so I can just file each one until it's sharp, rather than worrying about keeping them all the same length (something he doesn't seem to worried about anyway). I do still occasionally eyeball things to make sure I'm not getting a severe difference between the left side an the right side cutters, but the tolerance for mismatched cutters is much great with a progressive guide.

I just count the file strokes and do them all the same and they seem to stay pretty equal. Steve has lots of good videos on all sorts of small engine stuff.
 
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That's one of the better sharpening videos out there. The only thing I do differently is use a progressive depth gauge guide, rather than the one he uses. A progressive guide makes the chain FAR less sensitive to having different length cutters, so I can just file each one until it's sharp, rather than worrying about keeping them all the same length (something he doesn't seem to worried about anyway). I do still occasionally eyeball things to make sure I'm not getting a severe difference between the left side an the right side cutters, but the tolerance for mismatched cutters is much great with a progressive guide.
What does one of those (progressive depth gauge guide) look like? I thought all dept gauges was the same. The dept gauge I used was a feeler gauge, around 20-22,000 under straight edge from tooth to tooth.
 
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What does one of those (progressive depth gauge guide) look like? I thought all dept gauges was the same. The dept gauge I used was a feeler gauge, around 20-22,000 under straight edge from tooth to tooth.

Your method is effectively a "non-progressive" depth gauge tool. The disadvantage is that it takes the average of the two teeth to set the depth gauge height, rather than customizing the depth gauge to the height of the tooth that immediately follows it. If your two teeth are different heights, you won't have the optimal height for the tooth associate with that gauge. Thus the need to keep all teeth the same. In the case where someone is counting strokes, and sharpens a bit harder/better with one hand then the other, all of the teeth on one side tend to get longer than the teeth on the other (unless the operator compensates with an extra stroke or two on the "weak" side.) With a non-progessive gauge, all of the teeth on one side get a bigger bite than those on the other, causing the chain to want to cut on a curve. A similar problem can happen when your cutters on one side are damaged by hitting a rock and need to be sharpened way back to get them working properly, then the operator doesnlt bring the other side in to match, and uses a non-progressive tool to set the depth gauges.

In addition, if you keep the cutters all the same length, it works just as well as a progressive guide, at least when the chain is relatively new. However, as the cutters get sharpened back, it all does not change the depth gauge height in relation to the cutter as that cutter gets further from the depth gauge. For best performance, that relationship should change. You'll always be a .020-.022" with your method, and performance will drop off slightly as you sharpen back toward the end of the tooth's life.

Non-progressive depth gauge tool (The second one averages the two teeth and set the depth gauge a fixed amount below that, The first one bridges across two teeth, then extends that line out to the next depth gauge. If the two teeth are different, that extended line will be too high or too low.)

oregon style depth gauge.gif



With progressive depth gauges, the tool rests on top of one tooth, has a hole for the depth gauge to poke through, and the other end rests down on the chain link. This customizes the depth gauge to the tooth which follows it, as it should be. The height of the preceding or following tooth does not interfere with the depth gauge setting.) Both of the tools shown have two options: one setting for softwoods, and the other for hardwoods (I use the hardwood setting all the time, since 90% of the time I'm cutting hardwoods. It still works OK in softwood, thoug If I knew I were going to be doing a ton of softwood, I might sharpen differently.) The first one I bought at a Husqvarna dealer years ago, before the second style was even available. The second one shown is attached to what some refer to as the "Swedish roller guide" the depth gauge tool flips out when needed. The roller part is used as a guide for sharpening the cutters. It's sold a most Husqvarna dealers. If I recall correclty, I think a local Stihl dealer also had them (??)

Husky Depth Gauge tool.jpg
Roller depth gauge guide.jpg
 
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The idea with progressive depth gauges is that it's the angle that's important. If the depth gauge is at a fixed depth and the tooth has been filed back a ways, the angle is less.

Also I've noticed that the fixed depth gauge tools just have me file the tops of the gauges. But they are curved for a reason. If they're long and flat on top they work differently. So I have to remember to go back and match the curve to the new height. The progressive tool files them at an angle so there's less of that.
 
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Here watch this video, he discusses the rakers at about the 15 minute mark, does a good job of explaining it. Works well for me!

How To Sharpen A Chainsaw Properly - Video - YouTube

I guess I still feel that the more human error you can take out of the equation the more accurate the entire thing will be. I use a jig to sharpen the tooth, & a gauge to take down the rakers, it's the way my father did & still does it. The jig dictates the angle, so they are what I believe to be more consistent than 90% of people can do by eye. Yes some of you are like machines who sharpen constantly & feel your eye is better. I am not, so I rely on the jig. I use a depth gauge for the rakers, when I am done I like the way the saw cuts & I am happy with the chips. I am not saying anyone's way is right nor wrong, I just go with what works for me. Is there room for improvement, sure. I don't feel anyone is ever done learning, maybe slowed, but never done.
 

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