Help Me Choose What to Test Drive

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Maddog10

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Hello everyone. New to the forum but I've used it for years to research various questions and issues I've come across. My wife and I are in the market for a new tractor. From my research I have an idea of what I *THINK* I need, but rather than coming here and saying I'm looking at tractor X, Y, and Z I think I'd rather explain the uses and see if I'm close or if I'm out of line. I will say I'm primarily looking at Kubota, Mahindra, and JD. Just trying to narrow down on the models. I am open to suggestions on other brands though.

Background
I've used a Mahindra 3505 DI for pretty light duty applications all my life. My family lives on about 18 acres. 10 of it is rented to a farmer but the other 8 we maintain. Tractor use has always been limited pretty much to just using the brush-hog around the field, tilling the garden, hauling off the occasional dead tree, things like that. It's a 2WD tractor and has no FEL.

Property
My wife and I just bought a property down the road that is an additional 15 acres and is primarily wooded. It has a long gravel driveway up through the woods to the clearing where we plan to build a home in the next two or three years. The clearing is about 3 acres that I currently keep mowed with the brush hog, but the woods have been neglected for many years and are full of debris, fallen trees, thorn thickets, etc. The property has a gentle slope up from the road to the top of the hill where the clearing is, but the back portion of the property (North of the barn) has some pretty significant hills. I've been doing some work out here but the current tractor just isn't cutting it. See below for some pictures to get an idea of the property. In the aerial photo it is the wooded property shaped like a boot.

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New Tractor Uses

- Mowing. Initially just the 3 acre clearing and sides of the driveway, but as I clean up the woods I want to make/maintain trails and potentially even have the woods thinned enough to mow the entire property underneath the canopy of mature trees. Once home is built the 3 acres clearing will become a yard and will be mowed with zero-turn.
- Maintaining Driveway and grading
- Cleaning up and maintaining woods. This will involve removing a lot (and I mean a lot) of downed trees. Many are small, many are not. I think I absolutely want a grapple attachment and the ability to lift trees that are in the 24" diameter range. Will be collecting firewood as well.
- General FEL work
- Possibly fencing/post holes in the future but not a priority

Using the information given, I'd love to get your thoughts on what would be a good fit for my property and uses. Like I said, I feel like I have an idea of what I think I need to get the job done but I'm curious to hear from many of you who are more experienced than me to see if I'm under/over estimating my needs. Please let me know your thoughts and the reasoning behind them. If you have any questions, obviously don't hesitate to ask. Thanks!
 
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Welcome aboard. It’s always fun to go tractor shopping.

My question is why didn’t the 3505 fit your needs? Lack of FEL? No front wheel assist? Other?
 
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Why limit yourself to just 3 brands?

Test drive them all and choose the one that fits you best.
 
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Welcome aboard. It’s always fun to go tractor shopping.

My question is why didn’t the 3505 fit your needs? Lack of FEL? No front wheel assist? Other?

Lack of FEL is the primary reason. Trying to drag logs and brush out via chain has just proven to not be as efficient as I'd like, and this past weekend I had to borrow a neighbors tractor to load topsoil onto a trailer for a raised bed garden. I just think it's time for a FEL. A couple years ago I priced adding an aftermarket FEL. Took a lot of digging to find something still in production that would "probably" fit and if I remember right it was going to cost like $9K installed. My grandfather bought the tractor new in 2001 for just over $10K, so to me that didn't make economical sense. Would rather put that money towards another tractor... 2WD surprisingly hasn't been a problem, but if I get a new tractor I will definitely get 4WD, especially since it will have a loader.
 
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Why limit yourself to just 3 brands?

Test drive them all and choose the one that fits you best.

Not limiting myself at all. As I said I'm open to any and all suggestions, including other brands. I would just need to research dealers of other brands near me because I'm not aware of them. I am aware of local dealers of the brands I mentioned, thus the reason I've spent most my time on them.
 
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Mahindra 3505

???? - 2003
Next model: Mahindra 3525

Manufacturer: Mahindra
Factory: Maharashtra, India

Mahindra 3505 Engine:
Mahindra 1.9L 3-cyl diesel
Mahindra 3505 Power:
Engine: 35 hp [26.1 kW]
PTO (claimed): 27 hp [20.1 kW]


3-Point Hitch:
Rear Type: I,II
Rear lift: 3,525 lbs [1598 kg]

Power Take-off (PTO):
Rear PTO: live
Rear RPM: 540

Dimensions
Weight: 3,900 lbs [1769 kg]
Mechanical:
Steering: hydrostatic power

Hydraulics:
Pump flow: 8.3 gpm [31.4 lpm]

Electrical:
Charging amps: 36

Battery:
Volts: 12

Page information:
Last update: April 3, 2018
Copyright: Copyright 2018 TractorData LLC
Contact: Peter@TractorData.com
 
   / Help Me Choose What to Test Drive #7  
My wife and I are in the market for a new tractor. I'm primarily looking at Kubota, Mahindra, and JD. Just trying to narrow down on the models. I am open to suggestions on other brands though.

Background
I've used a Mahindra 3505 DI for pretty light duty applications all my life. My family lives on about 18 acres. 10 of it is rented to a farmer but the other 8 we maintain. Tractor use has always been limited pretty much to just using the brush-hog around the field, tilling the garden, hauling off the occasional dead tree, things like that. It's a 2WD tractor and has no FEL.

Property
My wife and I just bought a property down the road that is an additional 15 acres and is primarily wooded. It has a long gravel driveway up through the woods to the clearing where we plan to build a home. The woods have been neglected for many years and are full of debris, fallen trees, thorn thickets, etc. The property has a gentle slope up from the road to the top of the hill where the clearing is, but the back portion of the property (North of the barn) has some pretty significant hills. I've been doing some work out here but the current tractor just isn't cutting it.
- Mowing. Initially just the 3 acre clearing and sides of the driveway. As I clean up the woods I want to make/maintain trails and potentially even have the woods thinned enough to mow the entire property underneath the canopy of mature trees. Once home is built the 3 acres clearing will become a yard and will be mowed with zero-turn.
- Maintaining Driveway and grading
- Cleaning up and maintaining woods. This will involve removing a lot (and I mean a lot) of downed trees. Many are small, many are not. I think I absolutely want a grapple attachment and the ability to lift trees that are in the 24" diameter range. Will be collecting firewood as well.
- General FEL work
- Possibly fencing/post holes in the future but not a priority

Your controlling application is removing a large quantity of trees and tree debris on 15 acres of sloping ground. Focus tractor research on tractor weight, tractor width, wheel/tire ballast, Three Point Hitch counterbalance and 4-WD. Most tractors have one standard FEL, sometimes one option, so FEL lift capacity is a sub set of tractor weight (+/-).

The weight of your Mahindra, ~~3,900 pounds, seems spot on.

Shop your weight range within tractor brands. Budget will eliminate some choices. Collect a dealer brochure for each tractor model in your weight range. I spreadsheet tractor and implement specs, often a revealing exercise. I have a column for cost per pound.

You need rear axle width for stability but at the same time you need to pass between trees.

Buy a 10' stick of 1-1/2" PVC pipe, which will not sag. Cut to 70" width and mark at 62". This will replicate the rear tire width of likely tractor candidates with R4/industrial tires. Walk around your property and determine how well your potential tractor will fit between trees. When I did this I found access required 60" width tractor rather than 66" width tractor which I had under consideration. As you may change your mind, or your varied needs change, I recommend a de luxe tractor, which will allow adjusting spread of R4 tires in increments. Economy tractors do not have R4 stance adjustment.

Tractors with a bare weight of 3,700 to 4,000 pounds will have a real life FEL lift capacity of around 1,700 pounds, including the grapple. This will be ample, ample on sloped ground. You will need two good chainsaws, one with a 15" bar and a second with a 25" bar to cut up trees.

You will need considerable Three Point Hitch counterbalance for max FEL/grapple lifts. Usually counterbalance is an implement but you may want a more compact 1,000 pound weight box to keep the FEL/tractor/counterbalance unit as short as possible for maneuverability.

You will be doing a lot of burning as well as operating in woods. Inevitably front tires will contact hot coals. Six-ply, tough, R4/industrial tires for you, which are routinely fitted to FEL tractors. Load the rear tires 3/4 with liquid to lower the center of gravity and help hold down the rear end. In warm Florida many 3/4 load rear tires with plain tap water. Some prefer external iron wheel weights to internal tire liquid.

I am only familiar with Kubota models. Deere offers de luxe models in the 4,000 pound weight range. Mahindra probably does not.

Within Kubota's model range I recommend 'Grand L' models with HST/PLUS transmission.
The L3560 is a singular lighter/narrower model with optional LA805 Loader. In the wider models I recommend L4760 with LA1055 Loader or L5460 also with LA1055 Loader.

Grand L models are well worth the money as you age. I am growing old with an L3560.

VIDEOS: Kubota HST Plus Transmission Features - YouTube

Kubota Grand L - YouTube

Good luck in your research. Anticipation is 50% of satisfaction.
 

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Lack of FEL is the primary reason. Trying to drag logs and brush out via chain has just proven to not be as efficient as I'd like, and this past weekend I had to borrow a neighbors tractor to load topsoil onto a trailer for a raised bed garden. I just think it's time for a FEL. A couple years ago I priced adding an aftermarket FEL. Took a lot of digging to find something still in production that would "probably" fit and if I remember right it was going to cost like $9K installed. My grandfather bought the tractor new in 2001 for just over $10K, so to me that didn't make economical sense. Would rather put that money towards another tractor... 2WD surprisingly hasn't been a problem, but if I get a new tractor I will definitely get 4WD, especially since it will have a loader.

OK, thanks. I had a similar situation with a no FEL Kubota L3400. The cost of a new FEL on that was 7K. So like you, I went shopping.

If the size of the 3505 seems appropriate for the tasks you needed it to do, then I’d say you have an idea of the size you need.

Test drive all the local brands, spend time at each dealership to get a sense of their commitment to their product and your needs.

Have fun!
 
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For the tasks described a tractor similar to mine would work well. JD 4200 hst with loader and backhoe. The backhoe would see lots of work cleaning up the woods & making trails.

Tractor details: Note, this tractor is being used for example purposes.
[video]http://www.tractordata.com/farm-tractors/001/8/0/1809-john-deere-4200.html[/video]
 
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Really great info guys. Thank you Jeff for that detailed explanation.

I am in the same ballpark as what everyone seems to be recommending and agree that the determining factor for my use will be the lift capacity. For mowing, driveway work, and general land maintenance I could get by with a pretty small tractor, but for the lift capacity and stability I have been looking in the 40 hp range.

I have never driven a HST transmission (well, my zero turn mower) but I look forward to trying one out. I have driven a shuttle shift which is a massive improvement over the traditional gear transmission that I'm used to with my Mahindra, especially for the stop and go work that I do... Would you guys consider HST to be a "must have" for working in the woods compared to shuttle shift? I hope my test drives will kind of answer this question for me, but curious to hear what you think.

Also, in the Mahindra lineup I'm struggling a little to see the key differences in their 2600 series, 3600 series, and 4500 series. I did a spreadsheet as Jeff mentioned and the weight increases pretty significantly with each jump so is the primary difference just physical size or is it features as well? For example the 2645 is 44/36 hp @ 3285 lbs, the 3640 is 40/31 hp @ 4367 lbs, and the 4540 is 41/31 hp @ 5192 lbs... Gut feeling is the 2600 series might be a little on the light side for me, but the 3600 series would be in play.
 

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