Hand held police, fire scanners ??

   / Hand held police, fire scanners ?? #11  
I have several scanners from my days as an EMT/Firefighter. They are all useless now, at least in the area where I live because a few years ago all local units (sheriff, PD, Medical) went digital and the old analog units will not pick up digital signals. Plus, my understanding is that around here, at least, ALL the departments scramble their signals so no one can listen in on them. And because of that, they also have problems when there is a major response and several agencies are involved - they can't talk to each other because of the different scrambling systems.

Anyway, because of the different digital systems and scrambling systems I don't think buying a scanner for your intended use would do much good. What's chances the system you use will be the system someone else is using?
 
   / Hand held police, fire scanners ?? #12  
Plus, my understanding is that around here, at least, ALL the departments scramble their signals so no one can listen in on them. And because of that, they also have problems when there is a major response and several agencies are involved - they can't talk to each other because of the different scrambling systems.

Interoperability and mutual aid in mass casualty events took a huge hit and nobody seems to care. The FCC, FEMA-NIMS and the NFPA were working on resolving these issues at one time. They were ignored.
 
   / Hand held police, fire scanners ?? #13  
radioreference.com can show you what the frequencies are in your area. You can also find lists of frequencies in other places.

I have a Bearcat BC-125. It's fairly cheap and it works well for monitoring local wildfire activity. Cal Fire and county fire (and sheriff for that matter) still use unencrypted analog systems here.
The BC125 needs to be programmed but that's not hard. The easy way is to use software on your computer to do it.

The apps or websites that give you a feed of someone's scanner(s) can be better in that they have better radios and antennas. But you're also depending on an internet or cellular connection, which can go down or you can be out of coverage range.

An even cheaper option is one of the chinese radio/scanners like the BaoFeng UV-5R. It's not as good a scanner but it's also a two way radio. They will allow you to transmit on frequencies that require a license, or even on the public safety frequencies you're listening to (which would be bad). Careful setup is needed to prevent accidentally doing something illegal.
 
   / Hand held police, fire scanners ?? #14  
As someone involved in the implementation and maintenance of the radio system for my company...., there is a lot of misunderstanding surrounding radio systems these days....the majority of Public Safety, Fire, railroad, utility companies, etc have gone to P25 Digital Trunking systems, largely for the interoperability. Part of the P25 specifications demands that no one radio manufacturer can make it so only their radios will work on their system, and this was done largely to take away Motorola's huge monopoly hold on the 2-way radio market. This also has the benefit of allowing smaller agencies with much smaller budgets to have access to better and larger radio systems without the capital investment of a full system themselves (generally we're talking many millions of dollars to implement a full system). Basically this means that a smaller agency can have access to our radio system's "backbone" to obtain the statewide coverage that we have without having to purchase and maintain all the "behind the scenes" equipment to support it. It also makes it very easy for their personnel to communicate with our personnel over the radio system. Kind of like a small company leasing space on a radio tower without having to own or lease the land, erect the tower, provide power to run it, or maintain it. They only supply the antenna to hang on that tower, and pay a leasing fee for it. We actually several agreements with the Forest Service, BLM, and a couple smaller public safety agencies that do this on our system.

P25 Digital Trunking in and of itself does NOT prevent the use of scanners to receive the signals, nor the ability to decode the signals into usable audio that you'll understand. Yes, the older analog scanners will not do this, but it's not that they won't receive the signals, rather they just lack the ability to decode the digital into audio you can hear. Look up P25 scanners - many of them on the market. For the most current support, you'll want one that supports P25 Phase 2. Generally all you need is the scanner, and the WACN ID number of the system you want to monitor programmed in, then you're good to go. Several websites are out there that list many of the agencies across the country, and their WACN, such as RadioReference.com - Scanner Frequencies and Radio Frequency Reference

As far as the encryption goes, yes, there are an increasing number of agencies utilizing this, but it's rare to find _ALL_ of their radio calls being encrypted as it places a HUGE load on the radio system for no real gain. My company's radio system rivals the size, complexity and cost of what major metropolitan police agencies would have, and less than 1% of our radio calls are encrypted. What you'll often find now are general dispatch channels are not encrypted, and some car-to-car channels are not, but things like channels intended for tatical operations where high levels of security are needed, or channels for things like officer to dispatch for verifying people's identification/license status/etc where personal identifying information will be transmitted, are encrypted. There is also a very high number of operations that are done via cell phone and mobile computer these days, which no scanner on the market will decode without large amounts of modification. Yes, it is possible to monitor cell phone conversations today, but it is _very_ involved to do that set up, and very illegal. You're not doing it with the help of a YouTube video and cutting a resistor out of a radio/scanner, like we did back in the 80s and 90s with scanners to pick up on analog cell phones and cordless phones. Today, those frequencies are typically locked out of the scanners via firmware programming, and not easily bypassed.

Given the rise of cell phones and wide area internet access via smartphones and aircards in laptops, the truth today is that unlike in the 70s and 80s, there's just not that much interesting chatter going across the radio waves any more. Even just 10 years ago, I did a LOT of my work over the radio, and now..the only time my truck radio or handheld radio even gets turned on is when I'm far enough out in the field that my cell phone won't work, or we're in the middle of a major disaster that has taken the cell network down.
 
   / Hand held police, fire scanners ?? #16  
It used to be interesting for a dispatcher to read back database information. All that is sent digitally now. Once in a while, someone would request that the repeater be knocked down, so the mobile couldn't be heard on the repeater output.

Some ham friends are big into P-25. On a public service, is the P25 mobile traffic repeated?
 
   / Hand held police, fire scanners ?? #17  
With all that is going on in the USA at this time I have considered to purchase a hand held police/fire scanner for our travels threw out our state.The reason to avoid protest areas, do not want any part of that at our age.Looking at the Uniden BCD436HP you type in the zip code you are in and it gives you the local fire/police dept.Anyone have one of these units?

You'd be better off looking at google maps on a cell phone and seeing where traffic backups are ahead of you and avoiding those areas VS trying to decipher where and what the police are discussing.

Here in South Bend, you only hear a few things on the scanner. Most of them talk via PC laptops mounted in the car.
 
   / Hand held police, fire scanners ?? #18  
^^ Even if they're in the clear on VHF, some of them use their own 10-codes and verbal or numerical signals to an extent that someone just passing by wouldn't know what they're talking about.
 
   / Hand held police, fire scanners ?? #19  
Seems like we have devolved as a species, back to smoke signals. If you see smoke, turn around and go the other way.
 
   / Hand held police, fire scanners ??
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#20  
You'd be better off looking at google maps on a cell phone and seeing where traffic backups are ahead of you and avoiding those areas VS trying to decipher where and what the police are discussing.

Here in South Bend, you only hear a few things on the scanner. Most of them talk via PC laptops mounted in the car.
I hear you moss but when backups happen as quick with some of these protests I believe a scanner might be a better tool.
 

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