Road material

   / Road material #31  
A neighbor many years ago worked at an asphalt plant and told me that the trucks dump bed that they use to deliver the asphalt for road projects are insulated and heated. If the asphalt is not hot on delivery, it will not compact and has to go back to the plant.

And as previously mentioned, it has to have the right portion of oil mixed with it.
 
   / Road material #32  
When I did our road with crushed concrete the county guy said they would not use ground asphalt. He said they use to use it but lack of performance and ecological concerns put a stop to it.
 
   / Road material #33  
Used vegetable oil, No wonder you have mice problems.......:laughing:

I would probably be able to point to that as the problem with the mice if mr driveway wasn't 1200 feet long..and that may be a understatement
 
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   / Road material #34  
...How do you compact yours?
Drive over it repeatedly to compact it, put gravel in the FEL (extra weight) and drive back and forth over it.

Potholes, you want to break them up and add extra gravel (or whatever you use) then drive over it a bunch to pack it down. You want the road higher so water doesn't collect in the path. I would buy a box blade instead of renting. I love used implements, only bought a new PHD since it was cheaper than a used one...

Learn how to back drag with your FEL in float to smooth out stone. Hydraulic Top-N-Tilt makes learning how to use a box blade a bit easier... Read and enjoy this thread: https://www.tractorbynet.com/forums/attachments/122762-beginners-guide-using-box-blade.html
 
   / Road material #35  
Costs of materials varies by regions, and type of materials. We could do an example. Say you are going to use crushed concrete. Around here, it's about $10 a ton. 800lf x 12ft wide, and 4 inches thick, right? 800 x 12 / 9 x 4 / 17 = 250.98 ton. When compacted properly using a vibratory roller and applying water to aid in compaction you will lose a 1/4" per inch in depth, so you will end up with 3 inches compacted. You said 3 to 4 inches was what you wanted right?

So at $10 a ton, and we will round to 250 ton to make it easy, that's $2,500.00. That's not delivered. The trucking is where it gets expensive. Depending on distance, it's going to run around $12 to $17 a ton. Let's average that out to $15. So now we're at $25 a ton. 25 x 250 is $6,250.00.

800lf of roadway, 12' wide. Let's say they use a grader and roller. And you're gonna let JC wet it for you for compaction after the fact. Saves money. So a grader around here with a competent operator is between $100 to $125 per hour. Roller will be $50 to $60 per hour. Then there's mobilization. Depending again on distance, it may be $300 minimum. So we'll use that.

You don't describe conditions other than rough if I recall. So let's figure it cheap. 2.0 hrs to shape your existing road and roll the sub grade. We'll use the cheaper hourly rates, $100 & $50. 2 hours @ 100, and one @ 50, so $250.

So 250 ton, figure 22 ton per load, round that out to 11 loads. That's time. Unless the material is close, sitting and waiting for each load. So the grader knocks it down, and if he's competent, he's shaping while waiting for each load. They may only charge for roller run time, but doubt it. Best guess, you're looking at 10 hours for equipment, at 150 an hour. That's $1,500.00.

So $6,250.00+300.00+1,500.00=$8,050.00.

I could be wrong.
 
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#36  
Costs of materials varies by regions, and type of materials. We could do an example. Say you are going to use crushed concrete. Around here, it's about $10 a ton. 800lf x 12ft wide, and 4 inches thick, right? 800 x 12 / 9 x 4 / 17 = 250.98 ton. When compacted properly using a vibratory roller and applying water to aid in compaction you will lose a 1/4" per inch in depth, so you will end up with 3 inches compacted. You said 3 to 4 inches was what you wanted right?

So at $10 a ton, and we will round to 250 ton to make it easy, that's $2,500.00. That's not delivered. The trucking is where it gets expensive. Depending on distance, it's going to run around $12 to $17 a ton. Let's average that out to $15. So now we're at $25 a ton. 25 x 250 is $6,250.00.

800lf of roadway, 12' wide. Let's say they use a grader and roller. And you're gonna let JC wet it for you for compaction after the fact. Saves money. So a grader around here with a competent operator is between $100 to $125 per hour. Roller will be $50 to $60 per hour. Then there's mobilization. Depending again on distance, it may be $300 minimum. So we'll use that.

You don't describe conditions other than rough if I recall. So let's figure it cheap. 2.0 hrs to shape your existing road and roll the sub grade. We'll use the cheaper hourly rates, $100 & $50. 2 hours @ 100, and one @ 50, so $250.

So 250 ton, figure 22 ton per load, round that out to 11 loads. That's time. Unless the material is close, sitting and waiting for each load. So the grader knocks it down, and if he's competent, he's shaping while waiting for each load. They may only charge for roller run time, but doubt it. Best guess, you're looking at 10 hours for equipment, at 150 an hour. That's $1,500.00.

So $6,250.00+300.00+1,500.00=$8,050.00.

I could be wrong.

If you're even close, I don't have much margin for error. If material and delivery is a close estimate @ $6,250, I'd be saving a little under $4k. That's a lot of money but if I screw up the road, the material is still there. In order to fix anything I screwed up, wouldn't I basically need to pay to move material back around and recompact it...essentially the $4k I saved?
 
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#37  
Have you checked with your county to see if they have a private road program? Ours will bring out a road grader for$96 per hour.

I have not checked with the county. Thanks for the tip.
 
   / Road material #38  
I have not checked with the county. Thanks for the tip.

It makes a big difference if you have a road grader shape and smooth before you have the materials laid. That way you don't have thickness differences in holes.

I just had a short piece done but I think it's been a couple years and it's still holding. I've smoothed some washboard out a couple of times but haven't had to do that in a year.
 
   / Road material #39  
The performance of reclaimed asphalt depends on how much original asphalting material is retained. The type of original asphalt will also make a difference. Cold climate asphalts like where Pillon lives are designed to be softer and more flexible allowing reclaimed asphalt retaining more asphalt. Hot climate asphalts are designed to be less flexible in the heat. The reclaimed product will have little binding property.
 
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#40  
How long should a new / refurbished road last? If I spend $10k to have 800 feet of road rebuilt, how long should I expect it to be before I have to do it again?

Thank you all for the help! Priceless!
 

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