just when you thought you knew what stupid was

[Jstpssng]

Apparently the bandanna which I had started wearing isn't adequate...
Aside from that all that I can say is "please pass the popcorn."
opcorntub:

 

[/pine]

Unfortunately, that is not true. Masks/face coverings DO protect both the wearer and the people they come into contact with. I'm happy to share peer-reviewed journal articles that prove this. They don't provide 100% protection (even N95's don't do that) but they do block a significant portion of virus-laden droplets being both exhaled (infecting others) and inhaled (infecting you) thereby significantly reducing infection risk.

Their efficacy is dependent upon the material used and how well it fits/seals around the face. But, a poorly-fitting, poorly-constructed face covering still provides a measurable amount of protection over wearing nothing.

It is true...it's like putting a band-aide on a 5 year old's scratch...it makes them feel better...and yes it does provide a "bit" of protection..

There are just as many studies etc., etc.. that contradict the theories of protection...

IMO >IF< there are enough virus molecules around you where that a mask is going to be able to block them...you are just as likely to be getting them on your hands and clothing etc...where they can easily end up in your system...

 

[boomer1025]

IMO there is a much more serious tort constantly going on than not wearing a mask in public places...and that is just being in public places if a person has been exposed whether they have symptoms or not and whether they have gone at least 14 days after testing negative after being exposed...
...Most peeps would know if they have been exposed to anyone testing positive even with no symptoms...

Masks are not the answer...keeping infected (symptoms or not) peeps out of the public is the way to stop the spread...

people that have knowingly been exposed and go out in the public should be charged...there should be a law...

What about the people that have the virus but it doesn't make them sick. How would you know who they are.
Best thing to do is wear a mask and stay as far away from people as possible when out in the public.

 

[radios1]

here's how nonchalant people are taking the deadly virus, and the consequences of that.. Hundreds Quarantined in Schools That Followed Trump’s Advice BTW, Florida and Georgia have upticks in virus cases, wonder why??..

 

[square1]

My wallet is now connected to the masked / unmasked worker. I needed ~$25 worth of electrical components. A local merchant had them in stock. When I went to check out the cashier wasn't wearing a mask. There was not recommended distance available. The merchant still has those parts in inventory. I didn't need them that bad. Ordered on line, they arrived in plenty of time and cost less.

 

[/pine]

Obviously if you're going to be in close proximity to anyone you DON'T know for sure has not been exposed or know they are not infected...it's common sense to take all available precautions...

LoL...I see peeps in cars by themselves wearing masks...!!!

 

[tim03]

Isn't Florida like the "old people" capital of the US? Let's hear the age group of the deaths in Florida and I can make a better informed decision myself...just sayin'... And just askin'.

 

[ruffdog]

I had a cracked tooth that ended up needing a root canal. I have had 3 visits and will need a fourth to finish the work with a crown. The office had 3 covid cases but people are wearing masks and shields. Being that I do not want to give covid to my wife if I'm infected, we wear masks and quaritine for 2 weeks to be safe. My appointments are 2 weeks apart so my wife and I will have to deal with this in our home for 2 months. Being that this is a entirely new virus that may have long term harm to the body, I'm willing to do this if it may help my wife. Yes, I hate this covid BS but I must do what I can.

 

[/pine]

FWIW...the most prodigious outbreaks of the virus in FL are in three southern counties...most densely populated by either the rich or immigrants and minorities depending on the county...NOT where the most retirees are located...!

 

[/pine]

I had a cracked tooth that ended up needing a root canal. I have had 3 visits and will need a fourth to finish the work with a crown. The office had 3 covid cases but people are wearing masks and shields. Being that I do not want to give covid to my wife if I'm infected, we wear masks and quaritine for 2 weeks to be safe. My appointments are 2 weeks apart so my wife and I will have to deal with this in our home for 2 months. Being that this is a entirely new virus that may have long term harm to the body, I'm willing to do this if it may help my wife. Yes, I hate this covid BS but I must do what I can.

Bummer...considering the following advisory...:
Delay routine dental checkups, WHO urges, until COVID-1 ...


Good Luck to you and your wife...be lucky and safe...!

 

[5030]

No issue with me. My teeth come out at night.

 

[5030]

Obviously if you're going to be in close proximity to anyone you DON'T know for sure has not been exposed or know they are not infected...it's common sense to take all available precautions...

LoL...I see peeps in cars by themselves wearing masks...!!!

Maybe they want to enjoy their bad breath.

 

[RSR]

It is true...it's like putting a band-aide on a 5 year old's scratch...it makes them feel better...and yes it does provide a "bit" of protection..

There are just as many studies etc., etc.. that contradict the theories of protection...

IMO >IF< there are enough virus molecules around you where that a mask is going to be able to block them...you are just as likely to be getting them on your hands and clothing etc...where they can easily end up in your system...

Again, without trying to be offensive, you are completely wrong. This is not based on opinion, observations, or gut feeling. This is science that can be proven. I would be happy to see you point to peer reviewed journal articles that prove wearing a mask is not effective.

Aerosol science 101:

When you talk, breath, cough, and sneeze, you expel tiny droplets of saliva, mucus, and water that are expelled from deep within your lungs (the alveoli to be precise), at your vocal folds, and in the oral cavity.

The virus is shed in these droplets. Sizes range from less than 1 micron up to about 200 micron. The median range for speaking is around 2-4 micron. When droplets leave your mouth, larger ones fall to the ground quickly. Small ones fall very slowly.

For droplets less than 5 micron, they can stay suspended in the air for hours to days (think of the dust you see floating in a ray of sunlight indoors), depending on things like air currents in a room. Depending on the relative humidity, the larger droplets will also evaporate quickly (a matter of seconds) becoming smaller and staying suspended in the air longer. This is particularly problematic as larger droplets are believed to contain larger quantities of the virus, which has a diameter ofabout 0.1 micron. Therefore, if they are expelled and evaporate you get larger concentrations of the virus airborne.

Airborne transmission of the virus is a primary vector of transmission. A face covering does two things. (1) It blocks the droplets from being expelled, and (2) it decreases the velocity of the air exiting the mouth, so droplets that are expelled do not travel as far and mix as efficiently in the surrounding air. A face covering doesn't block all of droplets (particularly the very small ones), but it stops many, and most effectively stops the larger ones. This is important as it stops the large ones before they can evaporate and become aerosolized.

Because the aerosolized droplets are so small, face coverings are not as effective at filtering suspended droplets in the air when you breathe in (again, they are less efficient with smaller droplets), but recent research has shown they still do block a percentage of smaller droplets as well, reducing infection risk.

So, while a mask primarily protects others, it does also offer you some personal protection. No amount of protestation to the contrary changes the science.

If you disagree, feel free to point out where you think I'm wrong.

 

[ruffdog]

Bummer...considering the following advisory...:
Delay routine dental checkups, WHO urges, until COVID-1 ...


Good Luck to you and your wife...be lucky and safe...!

Thanks! :drink: If I do start feeling like I may have caught covid, I'll move out to the shed to sleep, crap in a pail, and have her leave food on the porch. It sucks now but it can get WAY worse.

 

[Sigarms]

You forgot the Ferengi. Never forget the Ferengi when discussing profit.

Sigh...any self respecting trekkie knows you wouldn't use Nog as an example of a profit hungry Ferengi. Quark would be a much better example.

 

[/pine]

Again, without trying to be offensive, you are completely wrong. This is not based on opinion, observations, or gut feeling. This is science that can be proven. I would be happy to see you point to peer reviewed journal articles that prove wearing a mask is not effective.

Aerosol science 101:

When you talk, breath, cough, and sneeze, you expel tiny droplets of saliva, mucus, and water that are expelled from deep within your lungs (the alveoli to be precise), at your vocal folds, and in the oral cavity.

The virus is shed in these droplets. Sizes range from less than 1 micron up to about 200 micron. The median range for speaking is around 2-4 micron. When droplets leave your mouth, larger ones fall to the ground quickly. Small ones fall very slowly.

For droplets less than 5 micron, they can stay suspended in the air for hours to days (think of the dust you see floating in a ray of sunlight indoors), depending on things like air currents in a room. Depending on the relative humidity, the larger droplets will also evaporate quickly (a matter of seconds) becoming smaller and staying suspended in the air longer. This is particularly problematic as larger droplets are believed to contain larger quantities of the virus, which has a diameter ofabout 0.1 micron. Therefore, if they are expelled and evaporate you get larger concentrations of the virus airborne.

Airborne transmission of the virus is a primary vector of transmission. A face covering does two things. (1) It blocks the droplets from being expelled, and (2) it decreases the velocity of the air exiting the mouth, so droplets that are expelled do not travel as far and mix as efficiently in the surrounding air. A face covering doesn't block all of droplets (particularly the very small ones), but it stops many, and most effectively stops the larger ones. This is important as it stops the large ones before they can evaporate and become aerosolized.

Because the aerosolized droplets are so small, face coverings are not as effective at filtering suspended droplets in the air when you breathe in (again, they are less efficient with smaller droplets), but recent research has shown they still do block a percentage of smaller droplets as well, reducing infection risk.

So, while a mask primarily protects others, it does also offer you some personal protection. No amount of protestation to the contrary changes the science.

If you disagree, feel free to point out where you think I'm wrong.

Geeze...!...The ONLY actual consensus is that "proper" masks "CAN" help prevent transmission by droplet molecules passed orally or through nasal expellant etc...most studies state "with other advised protocols" i.e, hand washing and social distancing...

even with most masks the molecules of perfume and "gases" (flatulent) can penetrate...Even the studies that try to prove the theory that Covid molecule is more complex they also state that NO MASK can be 100% effective of blocking Covid...!

You can paste all the "science" you want...there is just as much "science" out there that contradicts...talk about "semantics"...LoL...!

The most supportive words in regard to the effectiveness of masks are words like "CAN" and "MAY"...

 

[ruffdog]

Geeze...!...The ONLY actual consensus is that "proper" masks "CAN" help prevent transmission by droplet molecules passed orally or through nasal expellant etc...most studies state "with other advised protocols" i.e, hand washing and social distancing...

even with most masks the molecules of perfume and "gases" (flatulent) can penetrate...Even the studies that try to prove the theory that Covid molecule is more complex they also state that NO MASK can be 100% effective of blocking Covid...!

You can paste all the "science" you want...there is just as much "science" out there that contradicts...talk about "semantics"...LoL...!

The most supportive words in regard to the effectiveness of masks are words like "CAN" and "MAY"...

My wife and I did go out on the lake today and noticed something good with our n95 masks...they block the nasty smell of a blue/green algae bloom.

 

[Jim Nelson]

A good friend called today and during the conversation he said that he had talked to his financial consultant the other day and she told him that her Dad had died a week ago. The old guy was an alcoholic and had generally poor health related to that. When the hospital filled out the death certificate they listed cause of death as covid. Her husband went to the hospital and threw a fit so they changed it. This makes me think there is money to be made some how that most of us are not aware of.

 

[/pine]

Knowing who or what to believe at any level has been the biggest conundrum of the entire COVID pandemic...

 

[TMGT]

A good friend called today and during the conversation he said that he had talked to his financial consultant the other day and she told him that her Dad had died a week ago. The old guy was an alcoholic and had generally poor health related to that. When the hospital filled out the death certificate they listed cause of death as covid. Her husband went to the hospital and threw a fit so they changed it. This makes me think there is money to be made some how that most of us are not aware of.

Medicare does pay a higher amount for covid-19 patients, i believe around 20% higher.