F550?

   / F550? #21  
Put farm plates on it and you don't need a CDL, at least in the PNW.
In PA, to get farm plates you have to show you are actively engaged in farming. Usually requires a tax return with a farm schedule.
Otherwise every redneck and their mother would take advantage of that
 
   / F550? #22  
"Actively involved in farming" which wonk gets to decide?

If you live in the city, but work as a farmhand, does your personal truck get farm plates?

If you own acreage, but lease it out, does your personal truck get farm plates?

We are small potatoes, but have a timber exemption for property taxes and an LLC for selling timber and/or other items we grow on the place. We also qualify for sales tax exemption on business equipment/supplies. I could get farm plates on the Tundra. It is almost exclusively used for farm work. The thing is, by law in Texas, vehicles with farm plates are supposed to be used EXCLUSIVELY for farm use. I couldn't legally take it to church or help my kids move. I'd guess 75% or more of the pickups with farm plates are in violation.
 
   / F550? #23  
. I'd guess 75% or more of the pickups with farm plates are in violation.
It's the same here with "antique auto" plates. People put them on an old wreck just to avoid safety inspections.
Back in the '70s with the oil embargo, guys were putting farm plates on old trucks ao that they could sell firewood, again to avoid the safety imspections. The state wasn't long cracking down on that, it only works if you are hauling wood for use on your own farm.
 
   / F550?
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#24  
I looked into buying a used diesel truck. The older Fords and Ram trucks seem like the best things out there, but I don't want to spend my time rebuilding anything, or wrenching on it. Prices are horrible, but just about everything on those trucks are worn out. They need new interiors, seats, body panels and all of the running gear replaced to be reliable. For me, I'm going to pay what it costs to have something that I don't have to work on, wonder what will break next.
"Just about worn out" is an often misused statement. Seems like people thing that if something is 20 years old, its shot and needs to be replaced. Don't tell my 1983 1710 tractor that... The reason those older trucks are priced so high is because they last for so long and are a lot easier to repair than anything made for almost 20 years now. The hard thing is finding one with a frame and body that are in good enough condition to give the engine and drive train a run for their money as to which one will give up first here in the rust belt.

I'm really not looking for something to wrench on either. If it needed a repower, I'd end up having to pay someone to do that. I don't see how that could be cost effective, but that would depend on the initial cost of the vehicle. If I were buying the vehicle to make a full time living off of it, I'd have a completely different budget in mind. As it is now, I'm planning on the $10k-$15k range mainly because that's what it would cost me to go buy another 2000 F350 with less than 200k on it and in good running condition. The goal would be to find something that would go another 100k which seems reasonable to me.

After a lifetime of seeing all the problems people have with their "new" vehicles, ESPECAILLY trucks, I've come to the conclusion that buying a new truck doesn't save any money in repairs. They may be less frequent, but the frequency is offset by the drastic increase in cost.
 
   / F550? #25  
It's a bit harder to tell where a guy is going, and why in a farm truck.

Am I at Lowe's to get a new grill or lumber for a calf hutch?

Am I at the church to worship or am I delivering produce for an event?
 
   / F550?
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#26  
It's the same here with "antique auto" plates. People put them on an old wreck just to avoid safety inspections.
Back in the '70s with the oil embargo, guys were putting farm plates on old trucks ao that they could sell firewood, again to avoid the safety imspections. The state wasn't long cracking down on that, it only works if you are hauling wood for use on your own farm.
In Indiana, I'm told that the definition is pretty broad. Sell veggies at the farmers market or a corner stand? You qualify. Raise goats, or even chickens in your back yard? You qualify. Selling firewood would DEFINATELY qualify.
 
   / F550? #27  
I'm looking for a sanity check here. I'm starting to make plans to replace my 2000 F350. Its a 4wd crew cab with a long bed that I bought used from the original owner about 8 years ago. When I bought it, it was my daily driver, but I bought a used Camry 5 years ago. The cost of fuel paid for the car in just over a year. Truck has almost 270k on it, the engine and automatic transmission are fine, but the body is shot, and the frame isn't looking real good. I use it mainly for hunting, towing an 8500 lb travel trailer, and pulling a 10k equipment trailer with either a 5k tractor on it, or 8k-10k worth of logs for firewood. The Camry will likely need replaced first, and I'm thinking of something like a CRV or CX5 because they have a little more ground clearance and can easily tow a small harbor freight utility trailer which would make them more than adequate for my hunting needs and relegate the truck to purely a tow vehicle. In the production years I'm considering, the F250s, F350s, F450s, and F550s all cost about the same assuming they are in similar condition. I'm thinking a 4wd F550 dump truck would have enough payload capacity to haul the logs I'm currently hauling with my equipment trailer while also pulling the trailer with tractor which addresses the issue of not having a tractor to load with OR having to leave it behind when I drive home to unload.

To me, it seems like that a 550 would be the best option, but it also seems like jumping up to a 550 would have some draw backs to consider. Fuel milage is one that comes to mind. I'm currently putting less than 5k miles a year on my truck, so fuel milage wouldn't be a huge factor. Size/maneuverability would be another. Cab options factor into this to some degree. A standard cab is not an option. An extended cab is a possibility, but a 4 door with room for 4 grown men has some usefulness to me. As hard as it is to find a place to park a CC long bed, finding a place for a 550 dump truck is going to make it look like child's play. Using it to occasionally run to the grocery store would be out of the question. Running over to Walmart would be an option, but I'd need to park it at the back of the lot with the tractor trailers and tree service trucks. Depending on the wheel base and bed length, I might also have issues getting it through the woods in places where I CAN take my SRW truck now. There are a couple of turns in the lane that I can barely make currently. Then again, I am normally there to cut firewood, so those trees COULD be removed and used for heat. There's also storage. I currently park all our vehicles in the drive way because my 2 car garage was built (by the original owner of our house) with 6-1/2' wide garage doors. Goal is to replace the garage with a 2 story pole building that we can fit the vehicles in along with a camper (or enclosed trailer), but space would be a little tight because of how the property is laid out. Storing a longer, taller, wider truck might be out of the question. Best I might be able to do is have it under a car port. Then there's weight. Obviously tags/plates are going to be more expensive. Otherwise, I can't think of anywhere, including my yard, where the additional ~2,000 lbs of weight would be a concern.

Anything I'm not thinking of? Is it stupid for someone in my position to consider something like this? Before anyone tries to recommend replacing my F350 with a half ton, regardless of mfg, the answer is NO. I absolutely refuse to pull 10,000 lbs or more down the road with a half ton tow vehicle. If I were ONLY pulling my travel trailer, it MIGHT be a different discussion, but I'm not. I've always thought that was a stupid thing to try to do. I've since talked to several people who've spent their decades long careers dealing with trucks of all shapes and sizes and they confirmed my thoughts on the subject. Others may try it and succeed, but I will not push my luck.

Otherwise, what say ye internet?

Thanks,
Mark
As far as parking goes, I drive a regular cab F550 service truck for work. It fits in a regular parking spot.... barely. With very little room on the side. So if I don't want to be boxed in, I need to park in the back forty and hike.

But it's roughly the same lengh as my coworkers crew cab dodge dually with 8ft bed.

Depending on the lengh of the dump bed will determine whether your the same lengh as my regular cab F550.

The turning radius already sucks in the regular cab..... I would imagine it would be similar to the turning radius of a full sized school bus for the crew cab
 
   / F550? #28  
One thing to note on the newer diesels.
It seems only on Ram do they inject extra fuel for DPF regeneration through post-injection into the engine cylinders during the exhaust stroke. There have been some complaints about engine oil fuel dilution.
 
   / F550? #29  
Put farm plates on it and you don't need a CDL, at least in the PNW.
Check with your state. You may not need either CDL or farm tags. If its for personal use only you are not in commerce and no CDL is needed according to FMCSA. This is the federal rule. The exception to this would be if your specific state has a requirement for one.
 
   / F550? #30  
"Actively involved in farming" which wonk gets to decide?

If you live in the city, but work as a farmhand, does your personal truck get farm plates?

If you own acreage, but lease it out, does your personal truck get farm plates?

We are small potatoes, but have a timber exemption for property taxes and an LLC for selling timber and/or other items we grow on the place. We also qualify for sales tax exemption on business equipment/supplies. I could get farm plates on the Tundra. It is almost exclusively used for farm work. The thing is, by law in Texas, vehicles with farm plates are supposed to be used EXCLUSIVELY for farm use. I couldn't legally take it to church or help my kids move. I'd guess 75% or more of the pickups with farm plates are in violation.
In PA, you have to bring the farm income portion of your tax return. Like you show gross income from selling a crop (or Nurseryman, etc.)
No return, no farm plates.
 

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