just when you thought you knew what stupid was

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Really? 5-10 TIMES the per capita death rate of their neighboring Scandinavian countries is "pretty much the same result"?

So, to apply that to the US, if we were sitting at roughly 1-2 MILLION deaths (currently 170,000 plus) that wouldn't be a concern?

Maybe we just have a different definition of what acceptable is.

The statistics from Sweden prove one thing...it's the elderly and sickly that need to stay isolated...out of all the Covid deaths in Sweden only a couple of dozen were under the age of 40...

BTW telling folks that their thinking or opinions are flawed because they don't understand something or some process is a gross miscalculation on your part and it's a fundamental mistake in getting someone to look at something differently...

AND FYI...unless you are talking about something that (any science) is 100% finite and complete (nothing else left to learn, which is nothing BTW)...especially with a science that has just recently started getting closer examination like human moisture droplet dispersal...there really are no facts...just interpretations of the latest findings...A lot of research right now is looking at the COVID virus as solid particles and not in suspension of moisture...

 

[Doofy]

 

[Industrial Toys]

I have little doubt, that if "they" published all traffic fatalities, injuries and near misses, every day, people would ALSO be so freaked out, that many would not want to get into their cars.

We would of course also count accidents that happened if a car was close by. Or the person was driven to the scene of the accident, or away.
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[RSR]

The statistics from Sweden prove one thing...it's the elderly and sickly that need to stay isolated...out of all the Covid deaths in Sweden only a couple of dozen were under the age of 40...

I don't disagree that the elderly are most vulnerable. That's the same everywhere. I disagree with having 10 times as many die as need to

BTW telling folks that their thinking or opinions are flawed because they don't understand something or some process is a gross miscalculation on your part and it's a fundamental mistake in getting someone to look at something differently...

Again, I don't necessarily disagree. My approach could be softer. Fair enough.

However, when individuals continually spew incorrect information, make claims that can't be backed up, and then disparage scientific experts that are trying to save lives. Well, I have my limits.

AND FYI...unless you are talking about something that (any science) is 100% finite and complete (nothing else left to learn, which is nothing BTW)...especially with a science that has just recently started getting closer examination like human moisture droplet dispersal...there really are no facts...just interpretations of the latest findings...A lot of research right now is looking at the COVID virus as solid particles and not in suspension of moisture...

This is where you are incorrect. There is a wealth of research that has been performed on human droplet emissions as a vector for transmission of infectious diseases. The seminal paper by H.G. Wells, which has unfortunately been highly misrepresented by the media, leading to misconceptions about the "6 foot rule" was published in 1937.

If you are interested in more recent work, look up Linsey Marr at Virginia Tech or Lydia Bourouiba at MIT. They have been heavily involved in bioaerosol research long before COVID-19 came along.

So, actually, the science is not all new by a long stretch. This is precisely why the aerosol science community is so exasperrated. It's ridiculous that we are debating about the physics of droplet transport when it has been understood for so long.

There are admittedly nuances with it being a new virus such as where it is shed, infectivity, and viability as an aersol. Certainly the emergence of asymptomatic/presymptomatic spread is something that hasn't been widely observed before (only limited instances in SARS-CoV-1). There are many of avenues of research ongoing to answer additional questions.

However, the issue of whether masks are effective (which is what started this thread) is well understood and proven.

 

[DK35vince]

Yet, As witnessed in post 547 by DK35vince, Residents of Western PA is not a mask wearing group . I know there is not widespread support for mask wearing in the Dakotas either. Certainly no mandate.
Are all these people stupid? It's a big world....

Other than the local Walmart checking for masks at the door and the local dentist offices requiring masks.
No one else is enforcing masks in my area (Western,Pa.)
According to some here we should all be sick and dying in our area with so many not wearing masks, but were not

 

[fatjay]

However, the issue of whether masks are effective (which is what started this thread) is well understood and proven.

Are you exhausted yet? You have to be. I've been trying to explain it to people i know for the past 6 months. And no matter what knowledge or facts you base your knowledge on, people seem to just not get it.

 

[Sigarms]

Lol, because a mayor says it doesn稚 mean it値l happen.

Show me the codified law I知 refusing to uphold? You can稚 because it doesn稚 exist.

So if a codified law is on the books that you feel is unconstitutional, does that mean you will not uphold it? Per my example on the sheriff, all he was doing was playing for votes as he believes in rights when it comes to having a race with large crowds but doesn't believe in allowing protests being held because locally they (the protests) would be considered unpopular with his local voters.

The reality is we are already on a slippery slope with this whole crap pertaining to the new virus and ways as a society we are trying to curb it.

All that said, if a business has a sign up that they require a mask to be worn when entering their place of business, if you do not wear a mask and they kick you out, NO ONE'S constitutional rights have been violated. For some reason, as a society, we're stuck with the notion that the customer is always right.

As I noted before, I don't wear a mask for myself, but for others. The sad reality as a society we now want everything instantaneously and we rarely think about others because it's all about ourselves.

 

[RSR]

I have little doubt, that if "they" published all traffic fatalities, injuries and near misses, every day, people would ALSO be so freaked out, that many would not want to get into their cars.

We would of course also count accidents that happened if a car was close by. Or the person was driven to the scene of the accident, or away.
"

About 100 people die per day in car accidents. About 1,000 people are dying per day from COVID-19...

 

[Industrial Toys]

Sorry, I doubt "from" very highly. Blamed on or recorded as such, I might believe.

Also, something like 17,000 crashes a day.

 

[RSR]

Are you exhausted yet? You have to be. I've been trying to explain it to people i know for the past 6 months. And no matter what knowledge or facts you base your knowledge on, people seem to just not get it.

It does feel like a Quixotic undertaking at times.

I'm not so worried about changing the minds of close-minded individuals. That is likely never going to happen.

I'm more worried that others that aren't sure one way or the other are going to read the nonsense that is continually posted, and think there is some truth or validity to it.