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   / just when you thought you knew what stupid was #611  
Sorry, I doubt "from" very highly. Blamed on or recorded as such, I might believe.
Well, then I think you have bigger problems to worry about if you are convinced health officials are purposefully misleading the public for some nefarious, ill-defined reason.

As previously pointed out. All vetted research points to those number being underestimates, not overestimates.
 
   / just when you thought you knew what stupid was #612  
Just curious if you watched the link I posted about ER doctors (Not Politicians or Beurocrats) that were instructed to list deaths as COVID even though they may not have been. Told to use that as the default.

Right or wrong, I'm basing my beliefs on that.
 
   / just when you thought you knew what stupid was #613  
Just curious if you watched the link I posted about ER doctors (Not Politicians or Beurocrats) that were instructed to list deaths as COVID even though they may not have been. Told to use that as the default.

Right or wrong, I'm basing my beliefs on that.
I have no doubt there have been inconsistencies in reporting. It happens with autopsies in the best of times. But, to use an isolated case as justification for the overwhelming evidence to the contrary is a bit presumptuous.

For that to be true the whole world would have to be in on some conspiracy that involves millions of people, government officials, health care workers, etc. More likely, there are a few bad actors that give the hard work that everyone else is doing a bad name. Is this skewing death statistics to any appreciable level? Extremely unlikely. Again, there are many scientific reports (not just one video) showing deaths have been under, not over reported.

This is what's known as Occam's Razor. That is, the most probable explanation is the most likely one.
 
   / just when you thought you knew what stupid was #614  
I don't disagree that the elderly are most vulnerable. That's the same everywhere. I disagree with having 10 times as many die as need to



Again, I don't necessarily disagree. My approach could be softer. Fair enough.

However, when individuals continually spew incorrect information, make claims that can't be backed up, and then disparage scientific experts that are trying to save lives. Well, I have my limits.




This is where you are incorrect. There is a wealth of research that has been performed on human droplet emissions as a vector for transmission of infectious diseases. The seminal paper by H.G. Wells, which has unfortunately been highly misrepresented by the media, leading to misconceptions about the "6 foot rule" was published in 1937.

If you are interested in more recent work, look up Linsey Marr at Virginia Tech or Lydia Bourouiba at MIT. They have been heavily involved in bioaerosol research long before COVID-19 came along.

So, actually, the science is not all new by a long stretch. This is precisely why the aerosol science community is so exasperrated. It's ridiculous that we are debating about the physics of droplet transport when it has been understood for so long.

There are admittedly nuances with it being a new virus such as where it is shed, infectivity, and viability as an aersol. Certainly the emergence of asymptomatic/presymptomatic spread is something that hasn't been widely observed before (only limited instances in SARS-CoV-1). There are many of avenues of research ongoing to answer additional questions.

However, the issue of whether masks are effective (which is what started this thread) is well understood and proven.

No you are incorrect..."a wealth of research" is not a definitive clearing house of facts... there are only findings when it comes to the actual virus within the droplets that the research is akin to...yes you can say the droplets do this or don't do that but you can't say what happens with the covid microbes...

And as far as masks being "effective" there are NO definitive numbers...especially in real life scenarios not laboratory and emulated conditions and settings...

You need to face some facts that just because you want to believe something just because there is "some" evidence that supports it...does not make it so...

And BTW...vetted by whom??
 
   / just when you thought you knew what stupid was #615  
Obviously more draconian measures will subdue this wahun virus. Look how well it is working in Peru!

They got down to business early March and shut down everything. Cerfew, masks plastic shields, LOCK DOWN Baby!

We could do that, and expect similar results.


Oh! Sweden....

COVID-19 deaths per 100,000 people in Sweden vs. Europe
Source: Johns Hopkins University (as of August 2)

Sweden: 56.40
Belgium: 86.19
U.K.: 69.60
Spain: 60.88
Italy: 58.16

As good as some, better than others...

Might be all those old SAAB transmissions...

Will the beatings continue until moral improves?
 
   / just when you thought you knew what stupid was #616  
Or the pretty blonde girls. I will go with that, because I like it. Sometimes you just have to go with that. People believe all kinds of things that make no sense whatsoever.

Just thinking. Remember when Butter was GOOD? THEN BUTTER BAD, Margarine GOOD. Then BUTTER GOOD AGAIN, and certain types of Margarine BAD. All courtesy of our scientific community. Should have just listened to Grandma all along. She knew!
 
   / just when you thought you knew what stupid was #617  
Obviously more draconian measures will subdue this wahun virus. Look how well it is working in Peru!

They got down to business early March and shut down everything. Cerfew, masks plastic shields, LOCK DOWN Baby!

We could do that, and expect similar results.


Oh! Sweden....

COVID-19 deaths per 100,000 people in Sweden vs. Europe
Source: Johns Hopkins University (as of August 2)

Sweden: 56.40
Belgium: 86.19
U.K.: 69.60
Spain: 60.88
Italy: 58.16

As good as some, better than others...

Might be all those old SAAB transmissions...

My sister just got back from spending a month in Sweden and she said that many are angry about how bad the pandemic there has been mismanaged. She said that they are doing very little testing, and the WHO shows them now with a 6.75% death rate from confirmed cases. Most people there think that a lot more who have died were not tested and not listed as Covid. Sweden'e economy did better than some of its neighbors but they have lost a lot more citizens.
 
   / just when you thought you knew what stupid was #618  
People! I'm sure if it had been managed any "better" people wouldn't be praising anyone or methods.
 
   / just when you thought you knew what stupid was #619  
Well, then I think you have bigger problems to worry about if you are convinced health officials are purposefully misleading the public for some nefarious, ill-defined reason.

As previously pointed out. All vetted research points to those number being underestimates, not overestimates.

Talk to Dr. Neil Ferguson He was just trying to impress a young girl.

Bastard!
 
   / just when you thought you knew what stupid was #620  
Again, the LAW says the GOVERNOR can issue a MANDATE, which they do. So here's the LAW that gives the GOVERNOR the AUTHORITY to do it.

Gov. Lee Grants Mayors in 89 Counties Authority to Issue COVID-19 Mask Requirements
Friday, July 03, 2020 | 05:45pm
NASHVILLE, Tenn. – Today, Tennessee Governor Bill Lee signed Executive Order 54 to grant county mayors in 89 counties the authority to issue local mask requirements in the event of a significant rise in COVID-19 cases.

“While our densely populated urban areas continue to have the highest COVID-19 case rates, our local governments expressed a need for greater flexibility in addressing a rise in cases and that includes setting stronger expectations around masks,” said Gov. Lee. “This targeted approach ensures we protect both lives and livelihoods and safely keep our economy open in Tennessee. We encourage every Tennessean across the state to use a face covering or mask, make sure to socially distance and wash hands frequently.”

The six counties with locally run health departments including Sullivan, Knox, Hamilton, Davidson, Madison and Shelby counties retain the existing authority to issue mask requirements as needed.

The full text of the order is listed below:

AN ORDER PROVIDING LOCAL GOVERNMENTS WITH AUTHORITY CONCERNING FACE COVERINGS

WHEREAS, Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) remains a threat to our citizens, our healthcare systems, and our economy, and each Tennessean should continue to protect themselves and others by following applicable health guidance from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) and other leading medical experts to slow the spread of this virus, including practicing social distancing, effective personal hygiene practices, and “wear[ing] cloth face coverings in public settings and when around people who don’t live in your household, especially when other social distancing measures are difficult to maintain”; and

WHEREAS, importantly, wearing a cloth face covering is a simple step that each Tennessean can take to slow the spread of the virus, which prevents having to take more drastic and disruptive measures for our economy and job market, like requiring the closure of businesses; and

WHEREAS, whether to require or recommend wearing a face covering may depend on the spread of COVID-19 or lack thereof in a particular community, which varies widely across the State, and local governments are therefore better positioned to make this decision based on the conditions in their communities; and

WHEREAS, in addition to the other powers granted by law, Tennessee Code Annotated, Section 58-2-107, provides, among other things, that during a state of emergency, the Governor is authorized to suspend laws and rules regarding the conduct of state business if necessary to cope with an emergency, utilize all available state and local resources needed to combat an emergency, and take measures concerning the conduct of civilians and the calling of public meetings and gatherings, among other things, as well as delegate such powers as the governor may deem prudent; and

WHEREAS, pursuant to this authority and the general emergency management powers of the Governor under law, the temporary suspension of selected state laws and rules and the other measures contained herein are necessary to facilitate the response to the ongoing effects of the emergency resulting from COVID-19.

NOW THEREFORE, I, Bill Lee, Governor of the State of Tennessee, by virtue of the power and authority vested in me by the Tennessee Constitution and other applicable law, do hereby declare a continuing state of emergency and major disaster in order to facilitate the response to COVID-19 and accordingly order the following:

1. Persons are urged to wear face coverings in public places. To reiterate Paragraph 5 of Executive Order No. 38 (as extended by Executive Order No. 50), in accordance with CDC guidance, persons, including employees or customers of businesses, are strongly urged to wear cloth face coverings or other similar coverings in public settings where being in close proximity to others is anticipated, and particularly where other social distancing measures are difficult to maintain at all times. Such cloth face coverings can be created from household items or made at home from common materials at low cost. Cloth face coverings should not be placed on young children under age 2, anyone who has trouble breathing, or anyone who is incapacitated or otherwise unable to remove the mask without assistance. Surgical masks and N-95 respirators should be reserved for health care workers and first responders.

2. Specific delegation of authority to issue orders concerning face coverings. Notwithstanding anything to the contrary in Paragraph 13.b. of Executive Order No. 38 (as extended by Executive Order No. 50, and as may be subsequently extended), county mayors in the 89 counties that do not have a locally run county health department shall have the authority to issue orders or measures requiring or recommending the wearing of face coverings within their jurisdictions, consistent with Paragraph 3 of this order.

3. Contents of local orders. Orders or measures issued by county mayors pursuant to this Order should be consistent with CDC guidance and may have such exemptions as deemed advisable, provided that, at a minimum, there shall be no requirement that a face covering be worn:

i. Within one’s residence or automobile, unless transporting others for hire;

ii. By a child twelve (12) years of age or younger;

iii. By someone who has trouble breathing due to an underlying health condition or another bona fide medical or health-related reason for not wearing a face covering;

iv. By someone who is incapacitated or otherwise unable to remove the cloth face covering without assistance;

v. While eating or drinking;

vi. While outdoors, unless the person cannot substantially maintain appropriate social distancing from others outside of the person’s household;

vii. While working under conditions where appropriate social distancing from others outside of the person’s household is substantially maintained;

viii. In situations in which wearing a face covering poses a safety or security risk;

ix. While in a house of worship unless required by that house of worship, but wearing a face covering in such locations is strongly encouraged; or

x. While in a voting site for the purpose of voting or administering an election, but wearing a face covering in such locations is strongly encouraged.

4. Suspension of laws that would limit application of this Order. Any law, order, rule, or regulation that would otherwise limit the enforceability of this Order is hereby suspended, pursuant to Tennessee Code Annotated, Section 58-2-107.

5. Nothing preempts or supersedes any authority of bodies in six counties with a locally run county health department. Nothing herein or in Paragraphs 5 or 13 of Executive Order No. 38 (as extended by Executive Order No. 50, and as may be subsequently extended) preempts or supersedes any existing authority, as provided by executive order, statute, charter, or otherwise, of a locally run county health department, board of health, official, or local legislative body, located in a county with a locally run county health department, to issue or enact orders, ordinances, rules, or law regarding face coverings to mitigate the spread of COVID-19. Executive Order No. 38 (as extended by Executive Order No. 50, and as may be subsequently extended) is hereby amended to the extent necessary to effectuate this Paragraph 5, which amendment shall survive expiration or termination of this Order.

6. Effect of Order. A local order promulgated under the authority delegated by this Order constitutes an order, rule, or regulation promulgated pursuant to Tennessee Code Annotated, Title 58, Chapter 2, Part 1, for purposes of Tennessee Code Annotated, Section 58-2-120.

7. Severability. If any provision of this Order or its application to any person or circumstance is held invalid, the invalidity does not affect other provisions or applications of this Order which can be given effect without the invalid provision or application, and to that end the provisions of this Order are declared to be severable.

8. Term and effective date. This Order shall be effective upon execution and shall remain in effect until 11:59 p.m., Central Daylight Time, on August 3, 2020.

IN WITNESS WHEREOF, I have subscribed my signature and caused the Great Seal of the State of Tennessee to be affixed this 3rd day of July, 2020.

Not one mention of state statues for enforcement. The states legislators have to create, vote and pass legislation on penalties and fines for misdemeanor or felony convictions.

This how it’s supposed to work in our country.
 
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