. . . . and it's broke again. . . motor this time

[TheLandofSnipers]

Started up the 1735M and it seemed like it took a few more cranks than normal. Dash has the error light, code 000723 and below it 02 . . something, something crank sensor if I read the code and interpreted the manual correctly. Turned it off & pulled the neg cable on the battery for a few minutes. Restarted, with lots of cranking . . same code. Won't even start now. Crank no start. FML ~48 hours total on the machine . . .

Seriously . . . someone tell me this is a joke.

 

[milkman636]

I think your tractor is cursed, not just cursed at. After it gets fixed I'd probably be looking for an exit strategy and start over with something else.

 

[MoMower]

Depending on what’s wrong with it, I’d say you’re in “breach of contract” territory at this point.

Good luck....

 

[WranglerX]

Does automobile lemon laws extend to tractors?

Dale

 

[MF RED in MT]

Sorry about all of your MF issues, and I do hope MF will resolve them QUICKLY !!!

KC

 

[grsthegreat]

honestly, im so glad my tractor is a 2010 pre tier4 junk. when i purchased a new truck in 2017 i was so turned off by diesel tier4 junk, i decided to purchase a gasoline truck. ive been a diesel truck owner for 30 years. the diesels i have now will just keep getting repaired. no new diesel rigs for me.

now, as to the op, id be on the dealers doorstep with that tractor, or at my lawyers office if they dont fix it. only 48 hours, what a joke

 

[ruffdog]

"tier4 junk"? Maybe the small stuff has a issue but I've seen a lot of the big tier4 and it is nice. The other day I went up the road to watch a guy run a Cat m320f wheeled excavator and it was super quiet and smoke free. I could not even smell the exhaust and I was on the bridge right above him. Maybe those guys run it hard enough that they have less problems?

M32F Wheeled Excavator | Cat | Caterpillar

 

[MoMower]

Does automobile lemon laws extend to tractors?

Dale

That’s where “breach of contract” comes in.

MF and the OP had a contract to buy a new machine that performs as one.

He got a new machine, performing like a well used one.....

 

[fried1765]

"tier4 junk"? Maybe the small stuff has a issue but I've seen a lot of the big tier4 and it is nice. The other day I went up the road to watch a guy run a Cat m320f wheeled excavator and it was super quiet and smoke free. I could not even smell the exhaust and I was on the bridge right above him. Maybe those guys run it hard enough that they have less problems?

M32F Wheeled Excavator | Cat | Caterpillar

I wonder if at 1000 hours that super quiet and smoke free Cat might even be SO quiet that it will not even run.

 

[JWR]

Does automobile lemon laws extend to tractors?

Dale

Yes, Lemon Laws do apply to tractors though they are far less often applied. In most states lemon laws are not just for cars but for almost anything you buy. It DOES vary from state to state. As with nearly any issue, the courts are your LAST resort. It costs a lot of money, it means unbelievable and unjustifiable delays, etc. NOT the right solution. Your best process is to lay the entire situation in the lap of the dealer. Any good dealer will help you. Any dispute about the action being taken (or disagreement about who pays what) should immediately go to your Regional Rep with AGCO. They have immense authority in such circumstances. Insist on direct contact with your regional AGCO rep and establish a relationship with him whether there is any need for it now or not. Once the dealer has had more than adequate opportunity to resolve the issues ... go from there.

I put things this way because I have been through all this in very tedious and painful detail. In 2011 I bought a MF2660HD new and it took more than 3 years to get all the bugs out. By almost any standard it met the criteria for being a "lemon." I accept some responsibility for that 3 years because I am 330 miles from my tractor, other than once month intensive work periods. My 2660 had FAR worse issues than any you have mentioned so far. I've seen no reason to think that your dealer and AGCO will not back the machine. (Maybe you have a lot more to the story?) I can say that 1) AGCO eventually extended my warrantee by an extra full year, action taken by the regional rep. 2) The dealer was very helpful (though foot dragging slow) throughout the process. It is hard to over emphasize the importance of forming and maintaining a good relationship with your dealer. If you can't, then CHANGE DEALERS. 3) When all the dust settled, AGCO stood behind their product and made it right. My tractor is now (and has been for 6 years) a great, lovable and reliable machine. I have gone from loud critic to satisfied praise of both the machine and the company.

All that said, there is one huge gap between farm tractor industry behavior and automotive industry behavior. It is hideous/bad/awful that you cannot go out and simply buy a brand new tractor and expect it to be pristine and free of bugs and defects anywhere even CLOSE to how you can do that with a car (!!!) Safety in numbers. If you sold as many tractors as you have cars in the USA it would be totally different.

 

[5030]

I wonder if at 1000 hours that super quiet and smoke free Cat might even be SO quiet that it will not even run.

My buddy down the road has a couple million in new JD tractors, combines and assorted stuff, all Tire 4 final and every one either has emissions issues or is having them now. I can drop by anytime and there is at least one unit in the shop with a JD Service tech working on it. I find it sad and amusing at the same time. least the local dealer provides back up machines for him. Not so much it's junk, more like not fully sorted technology and the end user gets to play Guinea pig.

 

[JWR]

Yes, and I forgot to mention: I have friends and reports from many people who have had similar grief with "brand new tractor problems" that frustrate the owners -- numerous reasons for cussing and ready to jump ship and look for a better brand or better machine -- ones that include John Deere, New Holland , and Kubota. I exclude Mahindra, Branson, LS and others simply because I have no background with them and no friends owning them. I will bet money that such reports exist with ALL brands. None are above reproach on this !

 

[TheLandofSnipers]

The local dealer we got the tractor from is sending their mobile tech and the technical Rep from AGCO out to my place to look a the tractor tomorrow. They had to come on site since the tractor won't start at all now and I've got no way to put it on my trailer. I talked to one of the AGCO tech guys and he seemed to know what he is talking about, he seemed to think it was some sort of computer related thing. I'll let you guys know how it turns out.

 

[JWR]

The local dealer we got the tractor from is sending their mobile tech and the technical Rep from AGCO out to my place to look a the tractor tomorrow. They had to come on site since the tractor won't start at all now and I've got no way to put it on my trailer. I talked to one of the AGCO tech guys and he seemed to know what he is talking about, he seemed to think it was some sort of computer related thing. I'll let you guys know how it turns out.

Good to hear. We love to snoop and hear how it goes. Hope it turns out well for you and that it happens quickly.

 

[TheLandofSnipers]

Dan from AGCO and Chris from the local dealer showed up as promised this morning, broke out the computer and diagnosed a bad camshaft position sensor. Of course when they got there it started for them. I cranked it for ~30 seconds the other day and it would not start for me. Anyway they did not have the part with them, but are ordering it.
Dan seemed to really know what he was doing and didn't seem to think it was a big deal to repair it. So fingers crossed this is a quick easy fix. I forgot to ask him if it is a common failure.

P.S. Both of our Czech Sheppard guard dogs seemed to like Dan and Chris so they must be nice guys.

 

[shooterdon]

Dogs are a good judge of character.

Glad to hear it will be a simple fix.

As to the Tier IV argument, I would rather have a new tractor with a 6 year warranty than an older machine that I may have to fix myself or have fixed. But I only have 150 hours on mine after 18 months so it is not even broken in yet. I have had two minor issues that the dealer addressed within a couple of days and he came to my place for one and trailered it 45 miles to the shop at no charge for the other. Dealer support is important for some.

 

[MF RED in MT]

Glad to hear your tractor is not terminal.

My 2009 GC2410TLB purchased new in 2009 has not been back to any Dealer and has not needed anyone to come and look at it, and I doubt my GSD would allow that...

KC

 

[Industrial Toys]

Since so much stuff is financed, consumers should insist on clauses in the contracts, that you don't pay or are reimbursed for tech (or other) troubles. Seems to me, consumers could have much power in this regard if they organized.

 

[5030]

Dogs are a good judge of character.

Glad to hear it will be a simple fix.

As to the Tier IV argument, I would rather have a new tractor with a 6 year warranty than an older machine that I may have to fix myself or have fixed. But I only have 150 hours on mine after 18 months so it is not even broken in yet. I have had two minor issues that the dealer addressed within a couple of days and he came to my place for one and trailered it 45 miles to the shop at no charge for the other. Dealer support is important for some.

Not me. I would rather have a pre 4 tractor with no electronics than a new one with, warranty or not. What do you do after the warranty expires and it needs fixed? it's not marketable at that point.

I know, trade up every 5 and take a beating on depreciation right? Reminds me of the Ford 'new every 2' commercial. Keeps the finance company in the black and your wallet empty. Myself, I don't play that game.

Bottom line is, Rudolph Diesel didn't envision his engine being choked with emissions junk.... and diesels really don't 'like' it anyway. Emissions hardware and processes add heat and heat is what kills an engine.

Both mine are Tier 3 which is no emissions what so ever. Have had zero issue with either and I farm with them and they both have thousands of meter hours on them with normal maintenance.

 

[grsthegreat]

Not me. I would rather have a pre 4 tractor with no electronics than a new one with, warranty or not. What do you do after the warranty expires and it needs fixed? it's not marketable at that point.

I know, trade up every 5 and take a beating on depreciation right? Reminds me of the Ford 'new every 2' commercial. Keeps the finance company in the black and your wallet empty. Myself, I don't play that game.

Bottom line is, Rudolph Diesel didn't envision his engine being choked with emissions junk.... and diesels really don't 'like' it anyway. Emissions hardware and processes add heat and heat is what kills an engine.

Both mine are Tier 3 which is no emissions what so ever. Have had zero issue with either and I farm with them and they both have thousands of meter hours on them with normal maintenance.

:thumbsup:


my tractor is now 9 years old. still looks and runs like new. no real issues. and no tier4 junk