GC Aftermarket Hydraulic Filter

ray66v · Oct 25, 2020

Has anyone been able to buy the NAPA/Wix hydraulic filter that was alleged to be made for our tractors?

I believe it was to be Napa Gold #400361.

cglaser104 · Oct 25, 2020

Nothing that has been officially crossed by Napa or wix.

Edit: there are cross references for fuel, air and oil filters at Napa and wix

ray66v · Oct 25, 2020

There was a discussion earlier this year, where it was supposed to be in development.

Dmacleo · Oct 25, 2020

maybe something here from today?

DL Meisen said:
Look at Kubota filters..... WIX makes a 11 micron filter for Kubota, if it "fits" it should be just fine, MF manual say on 1700 series to use a 10 micron filter....

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Dale

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Amazon.com: Wix WL1?285 Hydraulic Filter: Automotive

have not had any way to verify but was mentioned today in that thread

MF RED in MT · Oct 25, 2020

Napa does not even show this filter (#400361) on their website now.

A year and a half ago they showed this filter on their website and you were told to contact your Napa Dealer, and they could not order it.

Here's the link to the Napa Transmission Filter:

KC

https://www.tractorbynet.com/forums...g/410142-napa-auto-now-has-my.html?highlight=

cglaser104 · Oct 25, 2020

They don't list the MF GC with Wix as a viable candidate. I'm sure there are numerous filters that would fit but the proper function is what I question. If it was as easy as also listing a MF GC for the filter I gotta believe they would have done that already.

coldsteelva · Oct 26, 2020

Honest question: For as infrequent (generally) as we need to change the hydro filters, what is the heartburn against buying the AGCO filter? When I reached my 1st change interval, I just went to my dealer and bought 2. So I only need to go back to them every 500 hours or so. Even at full MSRP is it not cheap insurance to have the right filter size, quality, filtration media?

ray66v · Oct 26, 2020

coldsteelva said:
Honest question: For as infrequent (generally) as we need to change the hydro filters, what is the heartburn against buying the AGCO filter? When I reached my 1st change interval, I just went to my dealer and bought 2. So I only need to go back to them every 500 hours or so. Even at full MSRP is it not cheap insurance to have the right filter size, quality, filtration media?

Most are probably looking for a better price. The OEM filter is, like all MF parts overpriced. Even if you only buy it occasionally, it's still a rip off.

The rest are looking for availability. Many are not close to a MF dealer. Getting it at NAPA can be a lot easier.

Yes, we know we can order it from some places online.

coldsteelva · Oct 26, 2020

ray66v said:
Most are probably looking for a better price. The OEM filter is, like all MF parts overpriced. Even if you only buy it occasionally, it's still a rip off.

The rest are looking for availability. Many are not close to a MF dealer. Getting it at NAPA can be a lot easier.

Yes, we know we can order it from some places online.

Thank you for that perspective. I understand it is not cheap (compared to wix/napa etc), but is low use case the only reason that there is NOT an equivalent.

cglaser104 · Oct 26, 2020

ray66v said:
Most are probably looking for a better price. The OEM filter is, like all MF parts overpriced. Even if you only buy it occasionally, it's still a rip off.

The rest are looking for availability. Many are not close to a MF dealer. Getting it at NAPA can be a lot easier.

Yes, we know we can order it from some places online.

To expand/confirm points on this. Price is more than just the item and, by itself, isn't worth crying over. However, When a company makes it difficult to find a cross reference and I still need to drive 1 1/2 hours with the cost of fuel and drain on time for a non-optimally priced filter its that much more expensive and quite inconvenient besides.

Philosophically it's an affront to modern progress and commerce. I don't put AC Delco filters on my Chevy truck... I use whatever my trusted service station has. I know I need 5w-30 semi synthetic motor oil for my truck that meets a listed set of standards cause my owners manual tells me so but my tractors manual only mentions their own brand of oil and doesn't list the standards required for non-AGCO oils. I'd use a Wix or Napa gold because I can visit countless auto parts locations before arriving to my MF dealership. Heck...I can go-to 3 Kubota dealers and 5 or 6 JD dealers and pay less before I come to my nearest MF dealership.

For me, it's more about principal of the matter than the cost.

coldsteelva · Oct 26, 2020

cglaser104 said:
To expand/confirm points on this. Price is more than just the item and, by itself, isn't worth crying over. However, When a company makes it difficult to find a cross reference and I still need to drive 1 1/2 hours with the cost of fuel and drain on time for a non-optimally priced filter its that much more expensive and quite inconvenient besides. ...

For me, it's more about principal of the matter than the cost.

Thank you.

hube2 · Oct 26, 2020

cglaser104 said:
To expand/confirm points on this. Price is more than just the item and, by itself, isn't worth crying over. However, When a company makes it difficult to find a cross reference and I still need to drive 1 1/2 hours with the cost of fuel and drain on time for a non-optimally priced filter its that much more expensive and quite inconvenient besides.

Philosophically it's an affront to modern progress and commerce. I don't put AC Delco filters on my Chevy truck... I use whatever my trusted service station has. I know I need 5w-30 semi synthetic motor oil for my truck that meets a listed set of standards cause my owners manual tells me so but my tractors manual only mentions their own brand of oil and doesn't list the standards required for non-AGCO oils. I'd use a Wix or Napa gold because I can visit countless auto parts locations before arriving to my MF dealership. Heck...I can go-to 3 Kubota dealers and 5 or 6 JD dealers and pay less before I come to my nearest MF dealership.

For me, it's more about principal of the matter than the cost.

I would have to agree with this. I personally find it objectionable that I am unable to go online and order what I need and have it dropped at my house. Note, I am nearly 60 years old and I expect to be able to get anything I need from the comfort of my own home.

My dealer isn't even that far away and I find them an inconvenience. I went down to get shear bolts for my blower getting ready for winter. They are 15 minutes away. I spent more than 45 minutes waiting while they looked up the parts, told me that they didn't have as many in stock that I was looking for and sold me what they had. So that was more than an hour of my life wasted and add to that picking my jaw up off the ground when they told me the price (more that $7 for a bolt, holy crap). Just because there is a dealer near by does not make it convenient. After some research I found that I can get these for 35 cents each Metric tap bolts, Zinc plated class 8.8 steel, 8mm x 1.25mm x 55mm - Bolt Depot that's a markup of 2000% to go to the dealer.

There isn't any reason why in 2020, almost 2021, that parts and supplies for these tractors should not be easier to find and more readily available at a more reasonable price point.

cdaigle430 · Oct 26, 2020

I always stick with OEM when I can if its under warranty. If not then I go with as premium as I can find but sometimes the specs manufacturers have that you need to meet make it very hard. I do know that cheaper is never any good unless your talking cutting out the dealers 40% markup in their pricing. Then there is availability where you have an older tractor and manufacturer stopped stocking filters for it...then you can go with something else as long as its good quality and is the same thread and had the same flow.

WranglerX · Oct 26, 2020

Once you see these videos you will never trust dealership parts or any other source on how good any filter is.... Buy a filter use it and be happy it does not cause a failure...

The Best & Worst Oil Filter -13 Oil Filters Compared In Head-2-Head Challenge - Fram, Mobil 1, Wix - YouTube

Budget + Cheap Oil Filter Comparison - Napa vs STP vs Purolator vs Fram vs Bosch - YouTube

Choosing the BEST OIL FILTER...FRAM vs WIX vs K&N vs Others - YouTube

And probably a dozen more on you tube, user "oil filter comparison" as search string...

Dale

ray66v · Oct 26, 2020

My interest in their hydraulic filter is strictly for the convenience.

I mentioned in the previous thread about the NAPA hydraulic filter, it will not be substantially cheaper. That's not their thing. Wix makes a good filter, they don't make cheap filters.

As far as the oil filter comparisons go, like the oil discussions, people tend obsess a little too much over it. Fram usually gets dinged in these studies, yet they sell a ton of filters and there are no class action lawsuits. NONE. Some call them junk, but the evidence is conclusive that they are also clearly capable of doing the job, in most applications. Pay more if it helps you sleep. I do that myself, if I'm running extended drain intervals.

Fram did decline to officially cross reference a filter for the GC's, (I made the request), even though they have filters that do work on it. They said, after dong their testing, they did not have a filter that met their standards to be considered "equivalent". Which is evidence they do care.

We can obsess over oil, and filters, which is to some extent understandable, because of the amount of the investment, and the fact that many are new to owning this kind of equipment. But it is a fact that TBN is not full of threads about oil related failure, or wear issues. Which is conclusive evidence that much of the obsessing is unwarranted.

It is also a fact, that TBN's not full of threads where people were denied warranty coverage, because of the brand of oil, or filters they used, which is the other popular unwarranted, obsession.

irvingj · Oct 27, 2020

...And as far as blower shear pins: RAD Technologies makes those blowers for a number of different SCUT manufacturers; I find Kubota's prices (for the exact same, notched shear pins) to be quite reasonable. (And our local Kubota dealer is only 1/2 hr away instead of 1-1/2 hrs away.)

Snobdds · Oct 27, 2020

The OEM filter is around $40. An aftermarket is $25-30.

Is a $10-15 discount enough to move a buyer to aftermarket?

Now view this through WIX or Napa's eyes and you may find your answer.

cglaser104 · Oct 27, 2020

Snobdds said:
The OEM filter is around $40. An aftermarket is $25-30.

Is a $10-15 discount enough to move a buyer to aftermarket?

Now view this through WIX or Napa's eyes and you may find your answer.

An aftermarket hydraulic filter at my nearest dealership is almost $80 at last purchase. It's another 4 gallons of gas which is $2.20 /gallon in NY where I live right now. If I can spend half on aftermarket AND drive 6 miles instead of almost 80 then yes, it's worth to me. I'll gladly turn the saving into a couple of pizzas for dinner for my family.

Snobdds · Oct 27, 2020

$80 is theft. My dealer charges $40.00 for this filter.

Jacks is $33.00. Order online then you don't even have to move a muscle.

ray66v · Oct 27, 2020

Snobdds said:
$80 is theft. My dealer charges $40.00 for this filter.

Jacks is $33.00. Order online then you don't even have to move a muscle.

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Yes, and that's an option, if you decide in advance to change it, get it ordered, and can allow enough time to get it.

It's also nice, if I could go to a nearby parts store, like NAPA, and buy it, because I didn't realize I did not have one on hand, or forgot to order it. :thumbsup: