My 4520r has no bolt holes for wheel weights?

   / My 4520r has no bolt holes for wheel weights? #1  

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Branson 4520r
Forgive me for my continued ignorance as I am learning more everyday about my tractor.
Was thinking about doing liquid ballast but considering that when I have a flat, etc, I will need to pay for more and for that matter, when the tires need to be replaced, there will be a cost of pumping out and pumping in again.

Looked at my rear tire rims...,no holes for the bolts to hold the wheel weights on?
Who here has put on weights and did the rims come with bolt holes?
I have a 4520r

Thanks!
 
   / My 4520r has no bolt holes for wheel weights? #2  
I was disappointed my 4815C did not have holes for weights either. They had just changed to a different rim when I bought mine.
 
   / My 4520r has no bolt holes for wheel weights? #3  
If you're looking into drilling the holes for the weights on the wheels, here is a thread from a German Branson forum where a user had to do this.

He kindly provided the drawing with the dimensions. Maybe this will work for you. If you use Google Translator or DeepL translator, it will do a decent job on the translation.

Anbau Radgewichte an Branson 525 mit grosser Radialbereifung | branson-forum.net
 
   / My 4520r has no bolt holes for wheel weights? #4  
I'm surprised that so many tractor manufactures are not drilling the wheel centers for weights, that is a real pain in the butt.
If want to go that way "everything attachments" has a good listing of weights and if you look at the weight details they list the bolt patterns and dimensions of the weights.
Branson Tractor Weights
 
   / My 4520r has no bolt holes for wheel weights? #5  
No holes for weights here either. I just had mine filled with Rim Guard and was done with it. I haven't had any flats yet, knock on wood (taps head). If you notice a puncture, try to drive it forward so the puncture is straight up, then call a tire service. R-4's are pretty resistant to punctures, at least in our climates (no 6" thorns like TX and CA). And I think you'd have to drive it on paved roads a LOT to worry about tires wearing down.
 
   / My 4520r has no bolt holes for wheel weights? #6  
The rims on my Kubota M6040 DO have holes for wheel weights. However - there is no reasonable way I can get the weight I want with wheel weights. With Rim Guard, I got 775# per tire. Had RG in my tires for eleven years now. No leaks, drips, or other problems. At the rate my rear tires are wearing - I'd have to live to be 175 YO before needing new rear tires.

Your rims don't have holes for wheel weights. Mayhaps the manufacturer has a good reason to not want wheel weights. Check before you drill ............

Example - Kubota specifically says - - DO NOT put dual tires on the M6040. No reason given, but I WILL take this advice seriously.
 
   / My 4520r has no bolt holes for wheel weights? #7  
Do you feel that bolt on weights are going to effect your tractor differently then your liquid fill?
I would expect the reason for no duals is that the flange type axle can't take the loading the outside dual would do.
Myself In much prefer bolt on weight over liquid fill for several reasons.
Liquid filling is the least expensive way to add weight normally, that is its only plus as far as I'm concerned.
 
   / My 4520r has no bolt holes for wheel weights?
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#8  
Do you feel that bolt on weights are going to effect your tractor differently then your liquid fill?
I would expect the reason for no duals is that the flange type axle can't take the loading the outside dual would do.
Myself In much prefer bolt on weight over liquid fill for several reasons.
Liquid filling is the least expensive way to add weight normally, that is its only plus as far as I'm concerned.

No, it’s the long term price savings.
New tires or flat tire is more money for pumping out and in or even more fluid.

Flat tire? No problem, just remove weights and take tire off. I live over an hour from any dealer.
 
   / My 4520r has no bolt holes for wheel weights? #9  
I break mine down while still on the tractor;
View attachment rim 5.jpg rim 6 (2).jpg
 
   / My 4520r has no bolt holes for wheel weights?
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#10  
0A350364-27DC-4C9C-907E-DD91080E3757.jpeg808067AB-CD8E-46D3-842A-189C4B534207.jpeg8AD484A2-01F5-4105-944A-7F7F67988960.jpegSo just heard back from dealer. There is no holes because bolts/studs are already in it.
If you look at picture closely, you will see two of the studs have nuts on them.:thumbsup:
 
   / My 4520r has no bolt holes for wheel weights? #11  
They used two studs and 6 lug bolts to mount the rim, the two studs make it easier to line up the wheel and drive flange.
Holes for weights would be further out on the rim.
removing weights 3.jpg center section.jpg
Hopefully you can see the referenced holes in these wheels.
In the first picture you can see the center bolted to the flange with 6 lug bolts and two studs and nuts.
Then there are 3 fully threaded bolts in the next diameter out, then the furthest out are were the center bolts to the outer rim.
The second picture is of the center section and you can see the eight holes for the lugs, the three bolts for the weights, and the 8 holes that bolt to the outer rim.
 
   / My 4520r has no bolt holes for wheel weights? #12  
Here is a picture of the wheels of my tractor for reference. Looks at the OP's pictures, they are the same wheel. Not sure why Branson decided against the counter weight holes when they went with the red rims.

IMG_20200411_162855.jpg
 
   / My 4520r has no bolt holes for wheel weights? #13  
Flat rear tires on tractors are sort of a rarity. I suspect filling them with liquid ballast further reduces the chance of a flat. Come to think of it, in 40 years of tractoring I have never had a rear tire flat. (I have had a few flats on front tires though). I suppose some people do have a rear flat occasionally, but I sure wouldn't let that fear deter me from filling the tires. I suspect the reason they don't put holes in rims anymore is because not that many people put on wheel weights. I haven't checked out the price of wheel weights, but I can't imagine steel or cast iron being even being close to competitive in cost per lb compared to any liquid ballast.
 
   / My 4520r has no bolt holes for wheel weights?
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#14  
I have 40 acres of forest to clear. I’ve put on 25 hours in a month of light work. (Not been doing much with a now 2 1/2 week old son).
Somewhere along the way, a tire is going to get punctured. Fronts get the brunt of it though.
I’m not sure how long they will last...
Guessing that over the life of the tractor, the weights will be cheaper....and I can possibly sell them again
 
   / My 4520r has no bolt holes for wheel weights? #15  
North,

No one knows your situation better than you do. If you feel weights are the way to go, by all means have at it. I'd be interested to see what you end up with, if you go with weights.

Are you going to clear cut that 40 acres, select cut, or just make trails through it? Is this a project you need to finish in a certain timeline, or is this a relaxing "rest of your life" kind of thing? Just curious. I'm thinking renting an excavator may be in your future, but ?
 
   / My 4520r has no bolt holes for wheel weights? #16  
Flat rear tires on tractors are sort of a rarity. I suspect filling them with liquid ballast further reduces the chance of a flat. Come to think of it, in 40 years of tractoring I have never had a rear tire flat. (I have had a few flats on front tires though). I suppose some people do have a rear flat occasionally, but I sure wouldn't let that fear deter me from filling the tires. I suspect the reason they don't put holes in rims anymore is because not that many people put on wheel weights. I haven't checked out the price of wheel weights, but I can't imagine steel or cast iron being even being close to competitive in cost per lb compared to any liquid ballast.

I would have to say that depends on your circumstances,
Yes an individual with one tractor in low hour usage will likely seldom ever have a flat.
Just as many people will seldom have a flat with a car or pickup,
which is why so many can not perform a simple (to many) tire change.
The more tractors involved the more tires involved the more hours use per year and the more critical the equipments use,
the more likely hood of a flat.
When several tractors are involved or even just one when any down time can become a critical stopage,
the ability to self repair and patch or get by for a day or 2 becomes more important.
An air filled tire with bolt on weights can be plugged or the tube patched in just a couple of hours and be back in service,
the same tire if liquid filled becomes a major time issue and cost.
Pumping the fill that hasn't spilled or leaked, cleaning and drying the tire and or tube plugging and or patching then,
then reassembling and refilling it has become most of a day project.
Or calling in a mobile service truck to do the work with the tractor or equipment being down for a day or two and a major cost.

As far as liquid filling reducing the chance of a flat I don't believe so.

As far as the cost, yes iron does cost more, a bit over a dollar a pound.
 
   / My 4520r has no bolt holes for wheel weights? #17  
There’s pros/cons to both types of weights.
...but no one has mentioned a tractor with filled tires would be more stable on side hills, having a lower center of gravity than equivalent weight centered at rear axle height. True or false?
 
   / My 4520r has no bolt holes for wheel weights? #18  
No, it痴 the long term price savings.
New tires or flat tire is more money for pumping out and in or even more fluid.

Flat tire? No problem, just remove weights and take tire off. I live over an hour from any dealer.

Steel weights are going to cost you around $1 per pound. WWF for ballast will cost you around 20 cents per pound. So I would have to lose it at least 3 times before the cost gets comparable.

Lou offers you a solution to your isolation. Relatively easy to do.
 
   / My 4520r has no bolt holes for wheel weights? #19  
Don't mean to start a War. But OP, your dealer is an idiot. Or your question wasn't clearly asked. I go with the first.
 
   / My 4520r has no bolt holes for wheel weights? #20  
I would like both filled tires and wheel weights. But I am difficult that way. :laughing:
 

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