My 4520r has no bolt holes for wheel weights?

[ovrszd]

I would like both filled tires and wheel weights. But I am difficult that way. :laughing:

That's what I have on my Kubota.

 

[North to Alaska]

North,

No one knows your situation better than you do. If you feel weights are the way to go, by all means have at it. I'd be interested to see what you end up with, if you go with weights.

Are you going to clear cut that 40 acres, select cut, or just make trails through it? Is this a project you need to finish in a certain timeline, or is this a relaxing "rest of your life" kind of thing? Just curious. I'm thinking renting an excavator may be in your future, but ?

Right away, clear a couple more acres.
Cut trees this winter(with snow shoes lol). In spring push over and lift up with grapple. Goes very quickly until I ran into larger roots and then there was not enough traction or weight.

After that, a steady clearing each year.

 

[North to Alaska]

The only rimguard dealer in Alaska is over an hour away. No service available locally that would show up a fix a tire.
For 1,300# of weight, it will cost me about $1,000.
Calcium is around $600.
They are looking into what weights will cost for me.
Much of my decision will be based off of that.

How much will fluid cost me in 5 years after flats or replacement tires? Maybe nothing? I don’t know.

 

[LouNY]

Most tractor wheel weight distributors will ship to the 48 states free with a 1000# order,
I don't know if you could do a pickup in one of those states or how much the shipping would be.
As an example everything attachments #3151 is 14 weights for 1050# for $1049,

Set of 3151 Tractor Wheel Weights

14 weights weighing 75 lbs. each
17.50" outside diameter
10.13" inside diameter
2 3/4" thick
Bolt Pattern: 3 @ 9 7/8 -12 1/2 or 4 @ 9 1/4 -10 1/4
Price: $1,049.00

These weights have a very versatile bolt pattern, they are actually slotted for either 3 or 4 bolt mounting

 

[ovrszd]

I paid $215 for 1500lbs of fluid weight

Lou paid $1049 for 1050lbs of cast weight.

I see the value in both. Personal preference.

 

[LouNY]

Actually for my 8050 I paid about $1100 at current prices it would be a bit more;

Set of 3161 Tractor Wheel Weights
4 weights weighing 300 lbs. each
21.50" outside diameter
10.50" inside diameter
5 1/4" thick
Bolt Pattern: 3 @ 10 1/2 or 3 @ 12 3/4

Price: $1,259.00

FromKen Jones Tire,
Liquid Weighting of Tractor Tires;
We often get calls about filling tractor tires with liquid fill such as calcium chloride, so I thought it might be useful to insert an article by Titan Tire, one of our long time suppliers.
“The traction or pulling power which a tire can exert is in proportion to the weight it carries. The greater the load on the tire, the more traction effort it can exert. The way to secure more traction and reduce tire slippage and tread wear is to add weight to the rear axle.
Filling tires with liquid is one of the most widely used methods of adding weight to the drive axle of a tractor because of its economy and simplicity. Plain water may be used where freezing never occurs. In colder climates where freezing temperatures occur, calcium chloride flake can be added at the strengths of 3.5lbs per gallon of water. For extremely cold climates, 5lbs of calcium chloride per gallon of water is used. Note that calcium chloride not only provides freezing protection but also increases the weight added by 20% and 28% for 3.5lbs./gal. and 5lbs./gal. respectively.
Front and rear tires should only be filled to 75% or “valve level”. Use of fills greater than this are not recommended because the tire becomes more susceptible to impact breaks. For softer ride and better control of power hop, it is recommended that 40% fill (4 o’clock valve position) not be exceeded.
Liquid fill has a stiffening effect on tire deflection, especially at lower inflation pressure. Because of this, use of liquid fill may make controlling power hop more difficult.
Either tube type or tubeless tires may be filled with calcium chloride solution. Rim corrosion is not a problem with tubeless tires as long as the tire is always kept inflated. This keeps outside air sealed away from the rim and restrains corrosion. A rim used tubeless with calcium chloride solution must be rinsed with tap water immediately after dismounting to prevent extremely rapid corrosion.”
I couldn’t have said it better myself!
One additional thought about calcium chloride and rim corrosion. In our experience, rim corrosion around the valve stem is very common, often leading to more rim damage that can’t be seen until the tire is dismounted. It usually requires a patch be welded and the rim repainted before any tire work can be done.
Thanks to Titan for the content. You can check out there website at Titan International.

I priced the rim guard and installed in my 18.4-30s for 800 pounds per tire was going to be right at $800 so $300 less and 400 pounds more.

The last calcium flake that I bought for dust control was $38 per 50# bag.
So 6 bags is $228 and about 115 gallons of water for a bit over 1200 pounds.
So a lot less then my iron cost me.
I have repaired a few flat tires and have had some repaired that had been calcium filled,
the last time I had a mobile service come out and repair a flat and refill a tire it was $200 for a tube patch and a bit more calcium and water,
and that was about 15 years ago.
I have also spent many hours repairing rims from corrosion damage and they have had to replace several on the farm over the years,
they just had to get two new rims and tires on one of the 656's over $2000 and they are only 16.9-38s they also got a 800 pounds of iron to bolt to her and get rid of the calcium fill.

I have just come to the conclusion that for me I will go with iron if at all possible.
But that's me others can make their own mind up, but I will not recommend liquid filling.
Also I don't believe in our winters that the windshield washer fluid would be a good choice, it sure freezes on the windshields fast.

Lou

 

[K5lwq]

I can see liquid filled, where it gets so cold, may not be ideal. On the farm, every tractor we had was filled with plain water. No issues that I can remember.

I filled my Kioti with water and about a gallon of antifreeze about 12 years ago. No issues yet. The Branson is filled with RV antifreeze. RV antifreeze I am told is environmentally friendly.

On these smaller tires, wheel weights and liquid would help a lot with traction in my opinion.

 

[Cougsfan]

If you search on the "tire" topic on this TBN forum you will find several posts by people successfully using common inexpensive automotive tire plugs to patch punctures on tractor tubeless tires filled with rim guard. These can be installed by the tractor owner with the tire still on the tractor. I can't see why plugs wouldn't would work on water, antifreeze or wwf filled tires too.

 

[ovrszd]

Actually for my 8050 I paid about $1100 at current prices it would be a bit more;

Set of 3161 Tractor Wheel Weights
4 weights weighing 300 lbs. each
21.50" outside diameter
10.50" inside diameter
5 1/4" thick
Bolt Pattern: 3 @ 10 1/2 or 3 @ 12 3/4

Price: $1,259.00

FromKen Jones Tire,
Liquid Weighting of Tractor Tires;
We often get calls about filling tractor tires with liquid fill such as calcium chloride, so I thought it might be useful to insert an article by Titan Tire, one of our long time suppliers.
“The traction or pulling power which a tire can exert is in proportion to the weight it carries. The greater the load on the tire, the more traction effort it can exert. The way to secure more traction and reduce tire slippage and tread wear is to add weight to the rear axle.
Filling tires with liquid is one of the most widely used methods of adding weight to the drive axle of a tractor because of its economy and simplicity. Plain water may be used where freezing never occurs. In colder climates where freezing temperatures occur, calcium chloride flake can be added at the strengths of 3.5lbs per gallon of water. For extremely cold climates, 5lbs of calcium chloride per gallon of water is used. Note that calcium chloride not only provides freezing protection but also increases the weight added by 20% and 28% for 3.5lbs./gal. and 5lbs./gal. respectively.
Front and rear tires should only be filled to 75% or “valve level”. Use of fills greater than this are not recommended because the tire becomes more susceptible to impact breaks. For softer ride and better control of power hop, it is recommended that 40% fill (4 o’clock valve position) not be exceeded.
Liquid fill has a stiffening effect on tire deflection, especially at lower inflation pressure. Because of this, use of liquid fill may make controlling power hop more difficult.
Either tube type or tubeless tires may be filled with calcium chloride solution. Rim corrosion is not a problem with tubeless tires as long as the tire is always kept inflated. This keeps outside air sealed away from the rim and restrains corrosion. A rim used tubeless with calcium chloride solution must be rinsed with tap water immediately after dismounting to prevent extremely rapid corrosion.”
I couldn’t have said it better myself!
One additional thought about calcium chloride and rim corrosion. In our experience, rim corrosion around the valve stem is very common, often leading to more rim damage that can’t be seen until the tire is dismounted. It usually requires a patch be welded and the rim repainted before any tire work can be done.
Thanks to Titan for the content. You can check out there website at Titan International.

I priced the rim guard and installed in my 18.4-30s for 800 pounds per tire was going to be right at $800 so $300 less and 400 pounds more.

The last calcium flake that I bought for dust control was $38 per 50# bag.
So 6 bags is $228 and about 115 gallons of water for a bit over 1200 pounds.
So a lot less then my iron cost me.
I have repaired a few flat tires and have had some repaired that had been calcium filled,
the last time I had a mobile service come out and repair a flat and refill a tire it was $200 for a tube patch and a bit more calcium and water,
and that was about 15 years ago.
I have also spent many hours repairing rims from corrosion damage and they have had to replace several on the farm over the years,
they just had to get two new rims and tires on one of the 656's over $2000 and they are only 16.9-38s they also got a 800 pounds of iron to bolt to her and get rid of the calcium fill.

I have just come to the conclusion that for me I will go with iron if at all possible.
But that's me others can make their own mind up, but I will not recommend liquid filling.
Also I don't believe in our winters that the windshield washer fluid would be a good choice, it sure freezes on the windshields fast.

Lou

Good stuff Lou. Thanks for posting!!!

 

[ovrszd]

If you search on the "tire" topic on this TBN forum you will find several posts by people successfully using common inexpensive automotive tire plugs to patch punctures on tractor tubeless tires filled with rim guard. These can be installed by the tractor owner with the tire still on the tractor. I can't see why plugs wouldn't would work on water, antifreeze or wwf filled tires too.

Plugs work fine with liquid filled tubeless tires.

I would never consider filling tires with CC.